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Im done with illinois football until Lovie is fired.
What kind of defense do Jeff Monken's teams play?
Whitman and all coaches are not paid with taxpayer funds. The athletic department has its own budget that is funded by B10 Network monies, bowl splits, (probably dwindling) IFund contributions, and (definitely dwindling) ticket salesLawyers of IL, any chance the taxpayers of Illinois can go after Whitman, Lovie, and Miles for what is clearly a case of nepotism involving the transfer of funds from taxpayers to an incompetent coach and his unqualified son? Any chance of this? At least voiding his remaining guaranteed salary? Lovie has a history of this. He hired his older son at TB, and to this day it doesn't appear that he found another job in football.
Not with a triple option offense...Question: Say Lovie is fired, and whoever comes in keeps Cory Patterson in the fold.
Could we keep most/all of trinity guys?
Who would we expect to transfer out?
I ask this, because many of our guys who play big minutes will be seniors next year, but played as true freshman and have a redshirt year to use. But they could also just play out their last year and take their chances at the league. That is beneficial to us because we’d have seniors playing. It could also make the new coach look good if we make a bowl.
Obviously the picture becomes a lot clearer after spring ball, but who is most likely to bail once Lovie is gone?
Not with a triple option offense...
I have been vocal against the triple option and will remain so. But who is to say Coran wouldn't be the best triple option QB on this team? You wouldn't be throwing the football much at all, and Coran has the body to take the beating, IW does not currently.Not to get all gritty here but let’s not act like IW isn’t made for that.
Honestly its going to depend more on who we bring in isn't it? If that guy motivated the roster, they would stay regardless. And no matter how much we all like some of the new cats on the team, none of them are more important than a highly competent coach in the long run. So it would suck, but necessary evil we would have to endureQuestion: Say Lovie is fired, and whoever comes in keeps Cory Patterson in the fold.
Could we keep most/all of trinity guys?
Who would we expect to transfer out?
I ask this, because many of our guys who play big minutes will be seniors next year, but played as true freshman and have a redshirt year to use. But they could also just play out their last year and take their chances at the league. That is beneficial to us because we’d have seniors playing. It could also make the new coach look good if we make a bowl.
Obviously the picture becomes a lot clearer after spring ball, but who is most likely to bail once Lovie is gone?
I have been vocal against the triple option and will remain so. But who is to say Coran wouldn't be the best triple option QB on this team? You wouldn't be throwing the football much at all, and Coran has the body to take the beating, IW does not currently.
If tomorrow is like the Iowa game last year...
Does Whitman can Lovie during the bye week and make Rod the interim? Or is that even possible given the fact that there is no clear DC to take over in this scenario?
Does he get the buy out if he retires? Unless he does, I can’t see Lovie taking that deal.If Lovie fails here, I’m calling it that he will “retire” after a private conversation with Whitman about mutually parting ways to save face.
We will all know what’s up, but I just don’t know if Illinois/Whitman wants to be known for actually “firing” Lovie Smith.
We will see...
Not with a triple option offense...
As someone pointed out, Lovie seemed dejected at the presser. My question is how the players are going to react to all of this. I feel like Corbin is visibly (and understandably) frustrated. I do think these kids are playing their butts off, but at what point does the team give up on this staff and stop putting their bodies on the line for this mess? We've seen our fair share of football and basketball teams seemingly give up towards the end of coaching tenures.
Man, the prospect of another coaching search, tear down, decommits, transfers, and 2-3 years of "acceptable" losses in preparation for a "big year 4"--I just don't know that I have it in me the older I get (and I graduated in '08!). I feel like the last fool still clinging to hope--getting mad at my wife (also an alum) when she talks about how this team sucks (not based on watching or following closely, but just a casual fan observing) --"no, no, no. you don't understand, Lovie tore it down to the studs and this is the year..."
Personal opinion is that because of better talent, not results so far, the bar is at 4 wins. At 3 he basically has no choice but to let him go unless Whitman is will to take some heavy heat for the next year and fund raising could dry up. 4 wins he can make a case for why it should and will be better next year. 5 wins and Lovie is completely safe. At this point, I’d give a 25% chance of 5 wins, 50% chance of 4 wins, and 25% chance of 3 wins. Theoretical slight chance of only 2 or 6 wins.This is purely my personal opinion but I believe this is the conundrum Josh has on his hands. If Lovie sits down and makes a convincing argument that this roster, with another year of offseason work and the addition of Luke Ford and Marquez Beason, can finally be the team for which the “this is the year” moniker rings true, does he buy that explanation enough to do just that..,give it one more year? I don’t think it’s out of the question that he would.
Please note, I’m not suggesting this is what Josh SHOULD do. I’m merely talking through the scenarios of what I believe he COULD do. Don’t come beat me up for saying Lovie should be safe. That’s not the conversation.
Personal opinion is that because of better talent, not results so far, the bar is at 4 wins. At 3 he basically has no choice but to let him go unless Whitman is will to take some heavy heat for the next year and fund raising could dry up. 4 wins he can make a case for why it should and will be better next year. 5 wins and Lovie is completely safe. At this point, I’d give a 25% chance of 5 wins, 50% chance of 4 wins, and 25% chance of 3 wins. Theoretical slight chance of only 2 or 6 wins.
4 wins he can make a case for why it should and will be better next year.