2021-22 College Hoops Coaching Carousel

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the juiceman cometh

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the juiceman cometh
WyattEarp said:
Coaches are opportuni$tic and nomadic by nature. But in hindsight, Crean should of just stayed at Marquette…much in the same why Hoiberg should of stayed at Iowa State.

It’s been perpetually downhill for both. Shaka is more of a mixed bag and on the upswing now…but there’s plenty of people in Austin that would have been just fine with him staying at VCU. (Just seems like more of a mid-major kinda dude.)

All three of them could of stayed at their respective places a good long time and had happy homes. Hard to say no to the $$ and the challenge but, I wonder if they think the gamble was worth it…looking back.

A lot of marquee names find out that they can’t do the Dick Vermeil-thing. Which is what makes Underwood’s rebuild, (and others like it )all the more remarkable…
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Agree, but I've also never been in the position to turn down the kinda money these guys get when they move to bigger jobs. I'm sure every one of these guys was also thinking of the few instances in which the gamble has paid off, like Calipari moving from UMass to Memphis to UK.

Also, as a fan of the now deceased St. Louis Rams, props on the Dick Vermeil reference.
 
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BashCtIllini

BashCtIllini
BashCtIllini
the juiceman cometh said:
Agree, but I've also never been in the position to turn down the kinda money these guys get when they move to bigger jobs. I'm sure every one of these guys was also thinking of the few instances in which the gamble has paid off, like Calipari moving from UMass to Memphis to UK.

Also, as a fan of the now deceased St. Louis Rams, props on the Dick Vermeil reference.
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you also don't get that offer for the bigger school with more money unless you've been successful. In most cases successful at multiple stops on your career path. Why would you think you couldn't handle the next step?

College is more difficult than Pro coaching because there are schools that are substantially harder to get players too. Take Tom Crean. Not difficult to get players interested in Indiana. Historic program with an abundance of local talent that have grown up liking the school. Now switch to Georgia. Mad local love for the unversity, well the football team. No one cares about basketball down there. No history of sustained success, so while your coaching skills may be as good as ever, if you can't get the players you won't win. In the pros, just throw some cash around and you can get pretty much anyone.

But ultimately, if you are able to double your salary moving up, you are kinda dumb not to take it. If you fail, you likely have a job in the studio waiting for you, and you will get another job shortly. With salaries always going up and never down, that next job will probably pay as much as the one you left, or more.
 
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WyattEarp

WyattEarp
WyattEarp
the juiceman cometh said:
Agree, but I've also never been in the position to turn down the kinda money these guys get when they move to bigger jobs. I'm sure every one of these guys was also thinking of the few instances in which the gamble has paid off, like Calipari moving from UMass to Memphis to UK.

Also, as a fan of the now deceased St. Louis Rams, props on the Dick Vermeil reference.
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Oh yeah, that’s fair. I’m with ya. How’s that saying go…? Anybody who thinks money doesn’t matter has never had to worry about it…I didn’t mean to imply that. I’ve had to worry about once or twice. Lol.

It WOULD be hard to turn down that kind of money…damn hard. It’s just that their initial D-1 salaries weren’t too shabby to begin with…in addition to being a hot commodity …a lot of times it seems they might actually end up hurting their their earning potential by going maybe a couple places in a row and crashing and burning. But, certainly not always.
 
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pruman91

pruman91
Paducah, Ky
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DaChief4ever said:
Yup MR. likeable is gone.....
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Likeable ??......................Hey , I like me and that's all that matters .......did the 10-12 players who left the program like me ???......NO.....SO ?..................who cares ?

I got to trapse down another sucker school sideline raking in the dough , and now they gotta buy me out to get rid of me ??????

WHAT A COUNTRY !!!!! ........................I love it , I really really do ...................................
 
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WyattEarp

WyattEarp
WyattEarp
BashCtIllini said:
you also don't get that offer for the bigger school with more money unless you've been successful. In most cases successful at multiple stops on your career path. Why would you think you couldn't handle the next step?

College is more difficult than Pro coaching because there are schools that are substantially harder to get players too. Take Tom Crean. Not difficult to get players interested in Indiana. Historic program with an abundance of local talent that have grown up liking the school. Now switch to Georgia. Mad local love for the unversity, well the football team. No one cares about basketball down there. No history of sustained success, so while your coaching skills may be as good as ever, if you can't get the players you won't win. In the pros, just throw some cash around and you can get pretty much anyone.

But ultimately, if you are able to double your salary moving up, you are kinda dumb not to take it. If you fail, you likely have a job in the studio waiting for you, and you will get another job shortly. With salaries always going up and never down, that next job will probably pay as much as the one you left, or more.
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Sure, if you’ve got a track record of success you certainly would be confident
in those abilities.

But rebuilds ARE tremendously difficult.
Each one with its own unique circumstances…demanding fan bases, a plethora of unforeseen events, recruiting misfires, potential misc. issues with administration, navigating the intricacies of school politics, various unrealistic expectations from all sides…etc.

Quite a few rebuilds just don’t work out. These guys have some idea what they’re getting into…but you’re still talking about a lot of variables that are out of your control.

And remember you’re leaving a job where
you were already paid extremely well…Crean was the one of the wealthiest coaches back then…They called Hoiberg the Governor…now they call him a bum. Lol…Let’s just say they didn’t have to worry about job security back then. Maybe it’s just me but that outta be worth something.

The devil you know argument…I guess.

I don’t know if it’s necessarily easier to coach in the pros as it is college…
There are hurdles to overcome in both cases…

It seems like for every John Beilein or Rick Pitino failing in the pros there’s a Patrick Ewing or Avery Johnson failing in college…
 
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GrayGhost77

GrayGhost77
Centennial, CO
GrayGhost77
WyattEarp said:
Sure, if you’ve got a track record of success you certainly would be confident
in those abilities.

But rebuilds ARE tremendously difficult.
Each one with its own unique circumstances…demanding fan bases, a plethora of unforeseen events, recruiting misfires, potential misc. issues with administration, navigating the intricacies of school politics, various unrealistic expectations from all sides…etc.

Quite a few rebuilds just don’t work out. These guys have some idea what they’re getting into…but you’re still talking about a lot of variables that are out of your control.

And remember you’re leaving a job where
you were already paid extremely well…Crean was the one of the wealthiest coaches back then…They called Hoiberg the Governor…now they call him a bum. Lol…Let’s just say they didn’t have to worry about job security back then. Maybe it’s just me but that outta be worth something.

The devil you know argument…I guess.

I don’t know if it’s necessarily easier to coach in the pros as it is college…
There are hurdles to overcome in both cases…

It seems like for every John Beilein or Rick Pitino failing in the pros there’s a Patrick Ewing or Avery Johnson failing in college…
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I though Hoiberg was "The Mayor"?
 
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DRS

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Chillinini

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Chillinini
He would have had one more year if he finished strong, especially with a cheaper buyout next season and new AD. But man, his time was done this season. He put all his chips on the Porters and East side connections and it backfired.