2021-22 College Hoops Coaching Carousel

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Ransom Stoddard

Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
Ransom Stoddard
sacraig said:
Representative sample?
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No True Scotsman?
This whole argument is ridiculous. Go back and look at Gainesville papers from Kruger's time there, he got plenty of praise, and there was plenty of disappointment when he left, tempered greatly by Donovan's return to the SS in his 3rd year.
 
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sacraig

sacraig
The desert
sacraig
Ransom Stoddard said:
No True Scotsman?
This whole argument is ridiculous. Go back and look at Gainesville papers from Kruger's time there, he got plenty of praise, and there was plenty of disappointment when he left, tempered greatly by Donovan's return to the SS in his 3rd year.
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I'm not sure you know what the "No True Scotsman" fallacy is. Just because you know some people doesn't mean that represents the whole population. Yours was an argument from anecdote. Your position may well be correct, but "I know a bunch of people" is not valid supporting evidence.

To be fair, the other side of this argument also has not shown any evidence. And this is a message board, so I could spend all day picking out logical fallacies.
 
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ptgrd23

ptgrd23
ptgrd23
I think Chris has done a respectable job. However if he wants the Duke job someday he would be better of moving to a more normal P5 job - KSU Missouri where he could have more success. I don't think his resume is good enough to get hire at FL or LSU. The idea that Amaker could get the Duke job after making NCAA once and NIT twice in past 6 years at Harvard is ludicrous. He was never in the running.
 
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WyattEarp

WyattEarp
WyattEarp
ptgrd23 said:
I think Chris has done a respectable job. However if he wants the Duke job someday he would be better of moving to a more normal P5 job - KSU Missouri where he could have more success. I don't think his resume is good enough to get hire at FL or LSU. The idea that Amaker could get the Duke job after making NCAA once and NIT twice in past 6 years at Harvard is ludicrous. He was never in the running.
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I don’t think Collins will even get a chance.
Either Scheyer proves he really is the golden boy and begins a meteoric rise to the top…

OR Scheyer underachieves and then fizzles out like a bad fart in 3-5 yrs…at which point both Collins and Amaker tell ‘em to stick it.
(I can dream) LOL

The second time around, maybe they decide they want/need an actual proven winner with ties to the Dukedom…But that’s VERY hard to come by since Krzyzewski is such a picky, control freak and his coaching tree has as few a branches as a Charlie Brown Xmas…

(I’m sure Collins has WAY too many of his own ideas for K.) Already, K seems like he wants to control things with an iron fist from the great beyond.
 
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pruman91

pruman91
Paducah, Ky
pruman91
www.stltoday.com

Seton Hall's Willard could bring high-major pedigree to Mizzou

There's speculation that the longtime Pirates coach is looking for a fresh start. Could Mizzou be an ideal fit?
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COLUMBIA, Mo. — Is there a sitting high-major conference coach in Mizzou’s crosshairs?
Some Tiger fans would love to see Rick Pitino stalking Norm Stewart Court, but would they settle for someone on his coaching tree?
One name that is generating buzz around the coaching world is Seton Hall’s Kevin Willard. He’s in his 12th year at the Big East school, and there’s some thought he’s maximized the program’s potential in New Jersey.

“He’s felt he’s done all he can there,” one source said.
Willard’s name has been linked to the vacancy at Maryland for months. Would there be interest about 1,000 miles west in Mizzou? Perhaps. A little more about the 46-year-old:

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another name in misery's quest ..........................
 
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Illini in Italy

Illini in Italy
Illini in Italy
pruman91 said:
www.stltoday.com

Seton Hall's Willard could bring high-major pedigree to Mizzou

There's speculation that the longtime Pirates coach is looking for a fresh start. Could Mizzou be an ideal fit?
www.stltoday.com www.stltoday.com


COLUMBIA, Mo. — Is there a sitting high-major conference coach in Mizzou’s crosshairs?
Some Tiger fans would love to see Rick Pitino stalking Norm Stewart Court, but would they settle for someone on his coaching tree?
One name that is generating buzz around the coaching world is Seton Hall’s Kevin Willard. He’s in his 12th year at the Big East school, and there’s some thought he’s maximized the program’s potential in New Jersey.

“He’s felt he’s done all he can there,” one source said.
Willard’s name has been linked to the vacancy at Maryland for months. Would there be interest about 1,000 miles west in Mizzou? Perhaps. A little more about the 46-year-old:

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another name in misery's quest ..........................
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Synopsis of the Misery coach search

 
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EyeoftheIllini

EyeoftheIllini
EyeoftheIllini
With both Maryland and Missouri seemingly both having interest in him, and Willard possibly being open to the idea of moving on, it got me wondering how much do coaches take into consideration how well their basketball system/beliefs fit for each particular when making a decision. Are they just looking at a job based upon money/best situations because they have the confidence/ego that they can succeed anywhere? I don’t know enough about Seton Hall or Willard to know if what he does there would fit better at one job/conference. And obviously a coach can make adjustments to the situation he is in like BU did when his defensive philosophy/system did not work in BIG. Just got me wondering if one spot fits Willard better as a coach.
 
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Saturdaze

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Saturdaze
sacraig said:
I'm not sure you know what the "No True Scotsman" fallacy is. Just because you know some people doesn't mean that represents the whole population. Yours was an argument from anecdote. Your position may well be correct, but "I know a bunch of people" is not valid supporting evidence.

To be fair, the other side of this argument also has not shown any evidence. And this is a message board, so I could spend all day picking out logical fallacies.
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I’m not sure you know how to follow an argument that isn‘t laid out nicely for you, so I’ll give you a hand.

“Florida isn't a basketball school. Nobody heard of basketball in Gainsville until Billy Donovan showed up. Its back to obscurity for the Gators.”

“Our own Lon Kruger had a decent run there too, and nobody noticed.”

“Ron Guenther noticed.”

“LOL. Nobody in Florida, anyway.”

“He was SEC coach of the year in 92 and 94.”

“Dude you are missing the point.”

“Dude I know a whole bunch of gators. Kruger's success did not go unnoticed by their fanbase.”

There is a natural and valid argument in this dialogue which you weren’t even involved in until your interjection which contributed nothing. This is message board, and a lot was said in 10 sentences but you need to use your brain to draw the connections and fill in the blanks via inference because no one is going to spell out a structured argument.

Can you explain why you wrote this as opposed to the alternative of writing nothing?

“I know a whole bunch of women and they all have brown hair.

Representative sample?”
 
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sacraig

sacraig
The desert
sacraig
Saturdaze said:
I’m not sure you know how to follow an argument that isn‘t laid out nicely for you, so I’ll give you a hand.

“Florida isn't a basketball school. Nobody heard of basketball in Gainsville until Billy Donovan showed up. Its back to obscurity for the Gators.”

“Our own Lon Kruger had a decent run there too, and nobody noticed.”

“Ron Guenther noticed.”

“LOL. Nobody in Florida, anyway.”

“He was SEC coach of the year in 92 and 94.”

“Dude you are missing the point.”

“Dude I know a whole bunch of gators. Kruger's success did not go unnoticed by their fanbase.”

There is a natural and valid argument in this dialogue which you weren’t even involved in until your interjection which contributed nothing. This is message board, and a lot was said in 10 sentences but you need to use your brain to draw the connections and fill in the blanks via inference because no one is going to spell out a structured argument.

Can you explain why you wrote this as opposed to the alternative of writing nothing?

“I know a whole bunch of women and they all have brown hair.

Representative sample?”
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Because writing "I know a bunch of people" and using it to generalize is not a valid form of support for a position. It's nowhere near being statistically representative. Now maybe you really thought the other poster was arguing that literally zero people in Gainesville had heard of basketball, in which case fine, your anecdote is a valid counterexample. But I highly doubt that is the case.

The spirit of the original post was that Florida fans overall didn't much care about their basketball program compared to other schools. Knowing a bunch of people who cared doesn't disprove that any more than knowing a bunch of brown-haired women proves that all women have brown hair.
 
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IllinoisssssssVarsity

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IllinoisssssssVarsity
pruman91 said:
www.stltoday.com

Seton Hall's Willard could bring high-major pedigree to Mizzou

There's speculation that the longtime Pirates coach is looking for a fresh start. Could Mizzou be an ideal fit?
www.stltoday.com www.stltoday.com


COLUMBIA, Mo. — Is there a sitting high-major conference coach in Mizzou’s crosshairs?
Some Tiger fans would love to see Rick Pitino stalking Norm Stewart Court, but would they settle for someone on his coaching tree?
One name that is generating buzz around the coaching world is Seton Hall’s Kevin Willard. He’s in his 12th year at the Big East school, and there’s some thought he’s maximized the program’s potential in New Jersey.

“He’s felt he’s done all he can there,” one source said.
Willard’s name has been linked to the vacancy at Maryland for months. Would there be interest about 1,000 miles west in Mizzou? Perhaps. A little more about the 46-year-old:

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another name in misery's quest ..........................
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When seton hall beats Arizona in the second round he’ll have better options than mizzou
 
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Chillinini

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Chillinini
KSU going all in on BU. Don’t know the money that will be offered. It’ll be their home run swing. We will see.

(Just trying to change subjects)
 
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CubsIlliniFan

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CubsIlliniFan
Chillinini said:
KSU going all in on BU. Don’t know the money that will be offered. It’ll be their home run swing. We will see.

(Just trying to change subjects)
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Lets put some logic here. Brad is 58 years old. He has built and will keep a top 10 program here. He loves it here and he loves the situation, pay wise and his boss.; I know iKSU is home for him but he would have to start over and rebuild. Does he want to do that or does he want to continue here and possibly win a championship? He is making very good money and I cannot imagine that KSU has the resources to pay him and play the huge buy out. I bet Josh has already talked to him about it knowing that Weber was going to retire soon. I think KSU is wishful thinking here. They may go after the S Dakota St coach or Murray Stats HC. Why would Brad want to start over?
 
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Mobi

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Mobi
Chillinini said:
KSU going all in on BU. Don’t know the money that will be offered. It’ll be their home run swing. We will see.

(Just trying to change subjects)
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From the tone of their AD, it is unlikely Underwood is a realistic choice. Their football HC is paid at $3.5M per and Brad at $4.1M. They might need to reconstruct their football HC's contract for Brad to happen. Jk.

BTW, I love Josh's approach. Paying top HCs top dollars. Bret's credential, arguably, was not as good as Brad's at the time but for us, he was arguably a top candidate. Paying him $4.2M per might seem ridiculous but nobody would say we are cheap. Also who says money cannot buy loyalty?
 
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IllinoisssssssVarsity

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IllinoisssssssVarsity
CubsIlliniFan said:
Lets put some logic here. Brad is 58 years old. He has built and will keep a top 10 program here. He loves it here and he loves the situation, pay wise and his boss.; I know iKSU is home for him but he would have to start over and rebuild. Does he want to do that or does he want to continue here and possibly win a championship? He is making very good money and I cannot imagine that KSU has the resources to pay him and play the huge buy out. I bet Josh has already talked to him about it knowing that Weber was going to retire soon. I think KSU is wishful thinking here. They may go after the S Dakota St coach or Murray Stats HC. Why would Brad want to start over?
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To elaborate, to up his salary and clear the buyout, they’d have to come up with like $13-15M for that first year, plus like 5-6M per year after that. In the first 2 years you’re talking like a $20M commitment. That is a significant amount. At his age, depending on when he wants to retire, that is a huge gamble as well.
 
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Mobi

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Mobi
IllinoisssssssVarsity said:
To elaborate, to up his salary and clear the buyout, they’d have to come up with like $13-15M for that first year, plus like 5-6M per year after that. In the first 2 years you’re talking like a $20M commitment. That is a significant amount. At his age, depending on when he wants to retire, that is a huge gamble as well.
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From some KSU local reports, it sounds like buyout is not a problem because it is one time from the boosters. Maintaining a salary north of $4M for multiple years is a problem. Almost sounds impossible. Based on history, KSU will never be able to hire Brad unless we fire him and I hope that never happens.
 
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Hopingfor500

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Hopingfor500
Mobi said:
He put out something close to a denial. Basically, Illinois is great and I love everything about Illinois basketball. However, it sounds to me he could either deny or confirm anything before the end of the tournament trip.
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I'm not worried about KSU. Maybe, one day, towards the end of his career, I could see him making a pit stop, just to put a nice bow on his career. KSU is two levels below Illinois. They aren't even in the same conversation with the schools in their own state. He's not dumb. He has established a program at Illinois, he's in one of the prime recruiting area in the country, he's established pipelines, he has great recruiting classes stacked, he's one of the top 15(or 10) highest paid coaches in the country, he's got an huge buyout because they just extended his contract in the fall and Whitman will match or exceed any other offer. BU loves his alma mater, as well he should. He's not going to blow up his career over it however.

Now, if it were Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, UNC....I'd have my ears perked up. KSU is ridiculous.