2021-22 College Hoops Coaching Carousel

#828      
That's why I hope Howard stays. While you can do worse than Howard, I suspect Michigan will do better. Now I hope Nurse goes to Lakers.
Howard is killing it as a college HC. In his third season, he already has a Big Ten championship, an elite eight, and a sweet sixteen. Beyond the obvious personality issues, why do we act like he’s not a good coach?
 
#829      
Howard is killing it as a college HC. In his third season, he already has a Big Ten championship, an elite eight, and a sweet sixteen. Beyond the obvious personality issues, why do we act like he’s not a good coach?

Phil is in charge of a lot of the "coaching" aspects for Michigan ... Howard does do some stuff as well but Phil really does a lot more coaching than people realize
 
#830      
Michigan is a challenging basketball job.

* Football school
* High expectations
* NIL levels the playing field so their bagmen cannot deliver Fab5 etc.
* Tough conference

I think IL basketball is actuall more attractive

* Basketball school
* Lower expectations. Never won an NCAA championship, Last 10 years prior to Brad - bad teams
* Competing with NIL
* Same conference
 
#831      
Michigan is a challenging basketball job.

* Football school
* High expectations
* NIL levels the playing field so their bagmen cannot deliver Fab5 etc.
* Tough conference

I think IL basketball is actuall more attractive

* Basketball school
* Lower expectations. Never won an NCAA championship, Last 10 years prior to Brad - bad teams
* Competing with NIL
* Same conference
Why are we even discussing this? We want Brad staying and we are not selling our house.
 
#835      
In theory, after Brad wins us a championship next year, which blue blood would be most likely to make a run at him?
 
#837      
In theory, after Brad wins us a championship next year, which blue blood would be most likely to make a run at him?
None of the blue bloods are going to have a coaching vacancy; any job would be a lateral move for Brad at best and I don't see him moving laterally with all the success he's had, and all the support he has from JW.
 
#838      
None of the blue bloods are going to have a coaching vacancy; any job would be a lateral move for Brad at best and I don't see him moving laterally with all the success he's had, and all the support he has from JW.
I mean, Self could.....😂 Sorry, i can't even pretend to think anything will actually happen to Kansas. I agree, I think we're in for a pretty legendary run of success.
 
#839      
Idk about ANYWHERE…..but it’d take a high level job that’s for sure. But I do think Brad retires here
Fine - we’ll lose coaches to the NBA. But would any Michigan fan expect to lose a coach to UNC or Kentucky? MAYBE, but I’d say no. This job is as good as Michigan, no questions asked. We have just as good of a tradition, better facilities, better fan support (AND less demanding fans), a better recruiting base, the same national exposure and we’ve recently shown that we have an AD capable of getting the donors on his side and digging into the war chest to spend big bucks.

We might lose a coach to a Blue Blood, but I think our fans - and by extension the culture at Illinois - could use a touch more arrogance in this regard! We are closer in prestige to Arizona or Syracuse than we are to Iowa or Missouri … it needs to be a surprise if a coach ever leaves the big bucks at one of the best jobs in the nation. 😎 People got scarred by Self, but personally I believe him … he wasn’t leaving for any job but KU.
 
#842      
As far as I know, Illinois has only lost two basketball coaches to other schools: Gene Bartow to UCLA, and Bill "I'm here for the long haul" Self to Kansas. Hope you are correct: no more.
Yep! Lost to Kruger to the NBA, which happens to the Blue Bloods. Meanwhile, we have swiped successful coaches from the likes of Florida and Oklahoma State?? Those aren’t exactly nobodies.

This is and should be a destination job. All the pieces.
 
#843      
Coaching salary ladder

1. Calipari KY $8M
2. Wright Villanova $6M
3. Pearl Auburn $5.4M
4. Bennett UVA $5.2M
5. Self KS $5.1M (excludes $2.7M retention)
6. Beard TX $5M
7. Barnes TN $5M
8. Huggins WV $4.2M
9. Underwood IL $4.1M
10 . Izzo MSU $3.9M

 
#844      
In theory, after Brad wins us a championship next year, which blue blood would be most likely to make a run at him?
If Brad wins it all next year, we are going to make a statue (or two) for him and match whatever salary other school will offer so he won’t go anywhere else (except for maybe NBA.) What if we only go to Final four but not the champion? Oh I will dream it and only worry about losing him when we get there.
 
#845      
If Brad wins it all next year, we are going to make a statue (or two) for him and match whatever salary other school will offer so he won’t go anywhere else (except for maybe NBA.) What if we only go to Final four but not the champion? Oh I will dream it and only worry about losing him when we get there.
Im no insider, but I would be more than surprised if BU went to any NBA team
 
#847      

dgcrow

Kelso, WA
He accepted the Arkansas job verbally and when he told Guenther, Ron was able to talk him out of it. Illini fans may think this is a destination job, but college basketball coaches don't. It still is considered a second tier job. Ohio State is considered a better job than Illinois from a coaches standpoint.
I wouldn't use what Bill Self did to determine which tier the Illinois coaching job should be placed.
 
#849      
He accepted the Arkansas job verbally and when he told Guenther, Ron was able to talk him out of it. Illini fans may think this is a destination job, but college basketball coaches don't. It still is considered a second tier job. Ohio State is considered a better job than Illinois from a coaches standpoint.
We shouldn't kid ourselves...we are a very good job and for most coaches a destination job, but in terms of prestige it falls below OSU, UM, MSU and IU. IU has the history, UM and OSU have the $ and carryover from football (as well as comparable history to UI) and MSU has 20+ years of success under Izzo. We are still dealing with close to 15 years of irrelevance; a few more years like the past 3 and we can start to argue we deserve to be ranked higher
 
#850      

The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
He accepted the Arkansas job verbally and when he told Guenther, Ron was able to talk him out of it. Illini fans may think this is a destination job, but college basketball coaches don't. It still is considered a second tier job. Ohio State is considered a better job than Illinois from a coaches standpoint.
As has been stated previously, we took our current coach from another power conference school one year into his contract. It's the second time in the last five coaches we've pulled that off. Second-tier is extremely relative. The number of schools ahead of us is very small. Ohio State might be marginally, but when you take into account the amount of money we are pumping into the program between our coaching staff and facilities, that gap is closing rapidly.

Ultimately, I think this conversation is pretty irrelevant. Considering BU's current pay, there are only a handful number of schools that can match us. Considering BU's age, it's pretty unlikely he's going to jump ship. Considering BU's current recruiting, we won't be thinking about a new head coach till BU wants to retire.