2024-25 College Football Coaching Carousel

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just gonna be A LOT harder for them in the SEC than it was in the B12. Their schedule is 2x to 3x harder now
True, but with the expanded playoff, there's also a little more wiggle room to lose a game or two.

I think it's more likely that OU eventually returns to contention than that they become Mississippi State or Vandy or something like that. If I were completely neutral and were asked to put money on either Illinois or Oklahoma winning a national title in in the next 20 years, it would be very hard to justify not betting on OU.
 
#127      
True, but with the expanded playoff, there's also a little more wiggle room to lose a game or two.

I think it's more likely that OU eventually returns to contention than that they become Mississippi State or Vandy or something like that. If I were completely neutral and were asked to put money on either Illinois or Oklahoma winning a national title in in the next 20 years, it would be very hard to justify not betting on OU.
agree
but they wont be looking at an existing OC or DC for the new head coach. and I highly doubt Barry leaves his OC gig working for BB and having Luke one more year, for the same gig in Norman
 
#129      
EXTREMELY different fact pattern. Not like the TSJ thing whatsoever.

First, it was never a police matter, this was all private action from a University investigation and subsequent lawsuit by the woman. And there's no whodunit, Tucker did the thing he was accused of by his own admission. "Phone sex" with this woman, to be euphemistic.

The question is how unsolicited and unwanted this was.

And then the question of how fire-for-causable such behavior actually is gets layered on top of it.

Brings disrepute upon the University? The University ITSELF was the one bringing this to light, pretty transparently hoping it could be their magic deus ex machina to pull their football program out of a death spiral.

Sort of a perverse flip of the conventional story of disbelieving the woman's story because it hurts the football team, the University was desperate to bolster the woman's story to save the football team. Ugly, ugly business.
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#130      
Not to pick nits, but why should Oklahoma fans expect anything other than elite offensive performance on a national title contending team?

That's a top 5 all time program in rich recruiting territory and the best conference in the country that sells out an 80,000 seat venue rain or shine.

Demanding fans are both morally good and a concrete benefit to a program.

Insane fanbase refusal to accept decline has willed Tennessee back to the top, so it shall be at Nebraska, so it will be at Oklahoma if necessary.
I'm with you but have wondered the past ten years about Nebraska. It has been nearly 30 years since Tom Osborne retired and, apart from his successor Solich and Bo Pellini I believe only one of their subsequent coaches have crested .500 and most haven't come near it. Like OU, success there seems as though it should be sustained with at most five-year lulls. They're now well into generational mediocrity,
 
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I'm with you but have wondered the past ten years about Nebraska. It has been nearly 30 years since Tom Osborne retired and, apart from his successor Solich and Bo Pellini I believe only one of their subsequent coaches have crested .500 and most haven't come near it. Like OU, success there seems as though it should be sustained with at most five-year lulls. They're now well into generational mediocrity,
The curse of Bo Pellini. They thought they were too good for his 9-4 seasons. Now, they'd kill just to have a winning record. I'm unconvinced they'll ever be close to what they once were. As @altgeld88 said, Tom Osborne and the Big 12 North schedule aren't walking through that door. Maybe they'll win 11 games again, but it's been 23 years and counting since they've done it. The fanbase can use their will all they want, but it sure as heck isn't working.

Will Oklahoma be Nebraska or Tennessee? We'll see.
 
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Can’t believe we are this far into the week and Walters is still employed. For their own sake, they better have legal speed things up to send him packing with enough time to get ready for Northwestern next week.

Or maybe they don’t care about winning another game this year?
 
#133      
Can’t believe we are this far into the week and Walters is still employed. For their own sake, they better have legal speed things up to send him packing with enough time to get ready for Northwestern next week.

Or maybe they don’t care about winning another game this year?
their season is lost .
better to do it correct and if that takes time , so be it

all they want now is to be on the front end of the carousel .
 
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I'm with you but have wondered the past ten years about Nebraska. It has been nearly 30 years since Tom Osborne retired and, apart from his successor Solich and Bo Pellini I believe only one of their subsequent coaches have crested .500 and most haven't come near it. Like OU, success there seems as though it should be sustained with at most five-year lulls. They're now well into generational mediocrity,
The curse of Bo Pellini. They thought they were too good for his 9-4 seasons. Now, they'd kill just to have a winning record. I'm unconvinced they'll ever be close to what they once were. As @altgeld88 said, Tom Osborne and the Big 12 North schedule aren't walking through that door. Maybe they'll win 11 games again, but it's been 23 years and counting since they've done it. The fanbase can use their will all they want, but it sure as heck isn't working.

Will Oklahoma be Nebraska or Tennessee? We'll see.
I can't not see Oklahoma becoming Nebraska unless they have a Ron Guenther streak of AD incompetence. The programs have similar histories but their traditional recruiting grounds are very different. Nebraska has a traditional thinner natural recruiting ground where any combo of two of a decent Missouri, Kansas, and K-State really and have to recruit nationally with some pharmaceutical enhancement too. Oklahoma basically recruits like a Texas-based blueblood with a lot Oklahoma kids sprinkled in. Oklahoma will only run into problems if they are bad with Texas, A&M, and OK St become perennial playoff contenders plus at least three of Houston, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, or Baylor becoming schools who often make the playoff too. The Houstonian slur of calling DFW "South Oklahoma" has some merit in recruiting.
 
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Bingo ... I really don't think Barry would leave for a lateral move (OC job) ... Would have to be a HC opportunity ... Wife is happy here ... Boys are happy here ...

You were reporting 10 months ago that Lunney could take the Houston OC job. People are happy until they’re not and this is a very fickle business.
 
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It'll all depend on if there are additional improprieties other than a consensual affair. For example, the Tucker case involved harassment and use of power and authority to coerce someone he brought in as a team trainer to have sexual relations with him or no longer be given future training opportunities.

While affairs are an icky business, and while there are contracts that have no fraternization clauses, if there winds up being no other cause here, this would probably be a hail mary attempt by Purdue to try and get out of paying him. Just one of those areas where what is legally acceptable vs. what is morally and ethically acceptable just don't necessarily align. And I don't think any of us will shed any tears if Purdue is on the hook financially for this mess.

As sad as it is, and as truly devastating they are for families with children, affairs do happen. And it is very telling that Ryan Walters clearly pissed off a lot of people for something like this to be leaked mid-season. Things like this normally stay buried for a while especially to try shielding a person's family, so this is some furious people close to the program leaking this stuff. He deserves being dragged through the mud for this but just hoping his wife and kids gets through this the best they can. Sad stuff.
One thing about these situations that irks me is that it takes two to tango. Many of the women involved in these affairs choose to involve themselves with married men. I understand some were professionally pressured. But others just enjoyed the ride. The men are criticized for being unfaithful or degenerate (rightfully so) while the women who make it possible get a pass.
 
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One thing about these situations that irks me is that it takes two to tango. Many of the women involved in these affairs choose to involve themselves with married men. I understand some were professionally pressured. But others just enjoyed the ride. The men are criticized for being unfaithful or degenerate (rightfully so) while the women who make it possible get a pass.
The ONLY relevant behavior in a Football Coaching Carousel thread is that of the coach. Not the behavior of the anonymous 'partner'. The discussion is about HIS continued employment and not her possible role.

HE'S responsible for his actions. I don't care if she danced a naked tango on his desk to entice him (which I doubt). Keep your pecker in your pants, particularly if not doing so could result in you losing your job
 
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One thing about these situations that irks me is that it takes two to tango. Many of the women involved in these affairs choose to involve themselves with married men.
Another big factor can be quickly discerned from a look at the org chart. If you're in a position of authority, either directly or indirectly, you’re guilty and gone. No excuses either, since we’re all taught the basic principle. Want to get together? Somebody needs a job change first.

Then there’s the character issue. The HC is supposed to be a role model for these young men. Walter’s is arguably a dirt bag.
 
#142      
You were reporting 10 months ago that Lunney could take the Houston OC job. People are happy until they’re not and this is a very fickle business.

Like I said back then … If Houston would’ve hired Traylor … I think Lunney could have gone and it would’ve at least been on the table …

Houston didn’t hire him … 🤷🏻‍♂️

It was never going to be Barry just leaving for the Houston OC job no matter who the coach was …
 
#143      
So as to Walters I found the hiring strange to begin with. Here’s a young guy who’s never been a head coach doing well as a DC at Illinois. Separate from the personal issues, why would you think he’s the right guy for a Big Ten program that just won the Big Ten West?

I’ll add that Bret is exactly what I’ve been advocating for since Mackovic left - an experienced power 5 coach who knows how to win. Places like Purdue and Illinois cannot afford to take a chance on a hot coordinator or a hot MAC coach.
 
#144      
Meh, fighting the last war is a common folly in coaching searches.
Ron Guenther was the master at this.

Tepper to Turner-Tepper’s teams stunk offensively, so hire a noted offense guy

Turned to Zook-Turner couldn’t recruit, so hire a recruiter.

Henson to Kruger-Henson wasn’t a great X-O coach, Kruger was.

Kruger to Self-see Turner to Zook (but I do know Kruger was hamstrung some by DePaul’s questionable at best recruiting practices)

Self to Weber-Guenther was jilted by a guy moving up with questionable ethical practices, so hire a squeaky-clean guy who sees this as his destination job.
 
#145      
One thing about these situations that irks me is that it takes two to tango. Many of the women involved in these affairs choose to involve themselves with married men. I understand some were professionally pressured. But others just enjoyed the ride. The men are criticized for being unfaithful or degenerate (rightfully so) while the women who make it possible get a pass.
If she's also married, she deserves equal criticism for breaking a vow. If she's single, is it shady and immoral? Sure, but his marriage isn't her responsibility. It's his.

As a married woman, I'll tell you right now, if my husband cheats on me, I don't care about the woman who made the cheating possible. She didn't make a promise to be faithful to me forever in front of our family, friends, and God. My husband did. She might have tempted him, but he made the ultimate decision to break his vows and that's on him. That's where all of my ire would lie in that situation.
 
#146      
As a married woman, I'll tell you right now, if my husband cheats on me, I don't care about the woman who made the cheating possible. She didn't make a promise to be faithful to me forever in front of our family, friends, and God. My husband did. She might have tempted him, but he made the ultimate decision to break his vows and that's on him. That's where all of my ire would lie in that situation.
Commitment matters, not just as a matter of personal character, but especially so for a HC. Is he a man of his word? Can he be trusted?
 
#147      
Another big factor can be quickly discerned from a look at the org chart. If you're in a position of authority, either directly or indirectly, you’re guilty and gone. No excuses either, since we’re all taught the basic principle. Want to get together? Somebody needs a job change first.

Then there’s the character issue. The HC is supposed to be a role model for these young men. Walter’s is arguably a dirt bag.
From my understanding, that's pretty much the lone legally binding non-fraternization clause in a contract. If it specifically states you can't have a romantic or sexual relationship with your manager/direct employee without discussing with HR, or the more strict no romantic or sexual relationships between coworkers, those are two things that could possibly hold up in the court of law but only if the company actively enforces that policy for all employees.

That said, many companies have a standard line in their contract saying something to the likeness of "if any part of this contract is found to be legally unenforceable, it does not nullify the rest of the contract", which from my understanding is also questionable in legality and frowned on by the courts, so typically cases like these where there is no egregious violation of policy tend to never actually make it to court and instead end in a settlement.

Point is, if this is all there us to the story with Walters "a consensual affair between school employees", I have difficulty believing the courts will allow Purdue to void the remaining contract for cause without payment. Instead, the more likely scenario is this is a way for Purdue to cut ties and then when everything settles down, quietly agree to pay him something like 75% of his remaining salary left on the contract. That way everyone gets to move on and this never goes to court.

And it's why I said earlier, this is very different than the Tucker case, as if the allegations in that case were factually true and had sufficient evidence, there's very little question in my opinion that the courts would uphold that he could be fired for cause.
 
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If she's also married, she deserves equal criticism for breaking a vow. If she's single, is it shady and immoral? Sure, but his marriage isn't her responsibility. It's his.

As a married woman, I'll tell you right now, if my husband cheats on me, I don't care about the woman who made the cheating possible. She didn't make a promise to be faithful to me forever in front of our family, friends, and God. My husband did. She might have tempted him, but he made the ultimate decision to break his vows and that's on him. That's where all of my ire would lie in that situation.
Absolutely. A single person trying to get into a relationship with a married man or woman is in the moral and ethical wrong and should be karmically punished, but it's the sole responsibility of the married man or woman to not act on their advances and have an affair. That's the whole idea of marriage for most people. If you can't do that, you're the one responsible for the consequences. Saying she or he seduced me doesn't change anything. Even if they did, you need to walk away. The only exception in my opinion is if the married person was forced or coerced and was against their will. Other than that, it's on you.

All that said, I can say that I've had more women hit on me while I've been married than when I was single. And I don't get it. They see the ring, I say I'm married, and some of them don't care. And I have married female friends who have said the same thing with men coming up to them. It's aggravating people would do that and I just don't get it.
 
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All that said, I can say that I've had more women hit on me while I've been married than when I was single. And I don't get it. They see the ring, I say I'm married, and some of them don't care. And I have married female friends who have said the same thing with men coming up to them. It's aggravating people would do that and I just don't get it.
My husband and I have had this conversation together and with friends and this is the consensus we came to. Some people like the challenge of "taking" something that belongs to someone else. I think others just like the idea of knowing someone is capable of commitment (or wanting to make it). The irony on the last one is that their idea of commitment is absolute trash if they think someone who could be persuaded to break their marriage vow has any real concept of the word.
 
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Back to the football-Walters’ contract should be public information since it was approved by the Purdue governing board. Do we know whether there is some sort of specific clause about relations with employees or a more general “morals/ethics/don’t give the university a bad name” type of clause?
 
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