2026 FIFA World Cup Thread

#276      
What should Balogan have done differently? What did he HAVE TIME to do differently? When did his serious recklessness begin?
Easy, if he doesn't stab his leg out at a ball he has no chance of he completely removes any chance of coming down on the opponent's ankle and not only avoids the card but also avoids the foul call entirely.

Also, "serious recklessness" isn't a thing. It's either reckless or not.
 
#277      
If you think this still shows a foul you are new to soccer. Don't know what else to say.

You implied that it wasn't a foul because it was shoulder-to-shoulder, but now you attack his experience. Kinda telling that you didn't try to mount a technical defense for a hip check.

Easy, if he doesn't stab his leg out at a ball he has no chance of he completely removes any chance of coming down on the opponent's ankle and not only avoids the card but also avoids the foul call entirely.

Also, "serious recklessness" isn't a thing. It's either reckless or not.

So, wait, your argument is now that he had enough time and control of his body to make a soccer play between being slammed in the hip and his foot touching Muharemovic. In other words, he had enough time and knowledge of the defender's position to know where he could put his feet without stepping on him while also halting or shifting his momentum enough to guarantee he didn't contact him in a way that committed some other foul. I know that athletes have good reflexes, but you must think the world of our striker's abilities.

Flat out, I don't see any serious/sincere/genuine/thesaurus recklessness by Balogun before he gets hit in the hip, and you haven't brought any up either. I also don't think he should have assumed he would be checked and thus somehow moved to defer in anticipation of that. In the seconds before the challenge, only one player had a good idea of how much Balogun was about to have his momentum jacked, and it wasn't him.

My opinion in summary: Balogun was at fault neither before the hip check nor in the span of human reaction time after. By my watch, that is the span of the whole "stab". Maybe we'll just never know how fast a man can turn reckless.
 
#283      
You implied that it wasn't a foul because it was shoulder-to-shoulder, but now you attack his experience. Kinda telling that you didn't try to mount a technical defense for a hip check.
It was shoulder to shoulder. The guy you're defending intentionally did not post the initial contact. This is the initial contact:
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If anything the Bosnian player has established position and Balogun is forcing his hip into his space.
 
#284      
It was shoulder to shoulder. The guy you're defending intentionally did not post the initial contact. This is the initial contact:
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If anything the Bosnian player has established position and Balogun is forcing his hip into his space.
Your frames show that balogun was ball-side of the defender and had a right to move his right foot to meet the ball - the same type of play he makes 100 other times during a game when trying to receive a pass. In the second frame, his right foot, the one he was going to trap the ball with, was already in the air. Balo was contacted with little force to the shoulder, then a lot of force above his right hip as defender swung his left leg over Balos right thigh. All wall his floating foot was moving toward the ball, which is a normal/natural soccer play. Balo’s foot clips the bottom of defender’s boot, rendering him further incapable of coming down with any means of intentionality. Balo feels that he has landed on defender rather than turf and immediately recoils to the extent that is possible, which is extremely apparent in real time.
 
#285      
Your frames show that balogun was ball-side of the defender and had a right to move his right foot to meet the ball -
I think you're getting their feet mixed up. Balo's right foot is behind the defender, which is how he makes contact with the back of the defender's plant foot/ankle. If your contention is that he has a right to move his foot through the defender to meet the ball, yiu are just 100% wrong about that.

Let me ask you a question. Set the red card aside for a second.

Do you believe there was a foul on that play? Who committed the foul?

I just want to understand whether we fundamentally disagree on what happened here, or just on whether the punishment was justifiable.
 
#286      
It was shoulder to shoulder. The guy you're defending intentionally did not post the initial contact. This is the initial contact

If anything the Bosnian player has established position and Balogun is forcing his hip into his space.

Pardon me, I can and did call you out for incorrectly calling this shoulder-to-shoulder independent of what he posted. I'm not so insane as to use one angle of stills to find out what happened.

This wasn't shoulder-to-shoulder. Even the crappy slow-mo shows that. Neither the initial contact was simply shoulder-to-shoulder (some arm and back touching.. is that the same?) while the impact comes through the hips. As I've said several times, watch real replays. I guess it's debatable since we're here, but two guys mutually bumping shoulders factually did not happen here.

Get that junk about established position out of here. The BiH player doesn't have the ball. Neither player has the ball. They haven't even touched it. Not that that's 100% protection but wtf? I can match contact with you at my shoulder, but I don't get to shove my hip into you from the side just because I outran you. This is wild.
 
#287      
I think you're getting their feet mixed up. Balo's right foot is behind the defender, which is how he makes contact with the back of the defender's plant foot/ankle. If your contention is that he has a right to move his foot through the defender to meet the ball, yiu are just 100% wrong about that.

Let me ask you a question. Set the red card aside for a second.

Do you believe there was a foul on that play? Who committed the foul?

I just want to understand whether we fundamentally disagree on what happened here, or just on whether the punishment was justifiable.
First contact is with shoulder, but the contact that displaces Balo is #4’s left elbow to Balo’s right oblique. It’s far more clear on the view from behind. If we are going SUPER letter of the law, it’s a foul on #4. I would never call it unless it was a situation in which I HAD to call something.
Short answer is no, I do not think there was a foul on this play. That’s given that I have this view at my disposal:
 
#290      
“Reckless” is in the Laws of the Game as a caution. Which is what that play should have been sanctioned as.

Clear star treatment issues, as Messi’s similar action (which also had intent) was only a simple foul.
 
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