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#376      
Ill in Cols
Johnny Lawrence said:
Why does everyone here always assume that if the committee were to set the seeds before the championship game that it can only hurt us? In this scenario isn't it just as likely that they could have had us as a 3 seed and then leave us there even in the event of a loss?
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Not replying to just your post but, last year, we moved to the 1 line from the 2, and tOSU vice versa due to the outcome of the game. Could have been a special situation where the two seed spots were interchangeable between us and them.
 
#377      
Rocky
STLflyinIllini said:
Holy smokes, just watched the highlights from that game. Of course Wisconsin wins their biggest game of the year by banking in 2 ridiculous shots at the end. OF COURSE. Now we had our chance to win out and we didn't; they did, at least so far. But man those bank shots. They'll probably win the B1G, but like others have said idk if they can keep winning like this in the tournament.
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Smart, balanced, disciplined team and well coached. They don't beat themselves, and they know how to manage leads with plays at the right time. These are exactly the type of teams WI has had that have advanced to the elite eight, final four, and championship game in the past.
 
#379      
Rocky
Icy veins said:
Another thing that sucks about Purdue losing is that we'll likely both be on the 2/3 line of the BTT and we'll see them in the semis assuming we both make it. Would much rather not have to play them until the finals
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Is fine. Cannot control it. We win, we get to championship game. We lose. we get one more important day of rest.
 
#380      
Cairo
racinghoss said:
You should watch the game before asking that. Dickenson was doing his shuffle down the court (the way he runs, lol), pointing and yelling at the MSU bench.

It isnt just me that disagrees with this display. It was out of control enough that the refs and Izzo to great exception too. The zebras had a lo g talk with HD.

No doubt that HD is a douche.

Edit: must have accidentally posted prematurely, lol.

2x edit: I don't mind classy trash talk. HD doesn't do that
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My favorite part of HD's game is his flex after a dunk.
Dude has zero muscle. My sister has bigger shoulders than that guy. His legs remind me of Mr. Salty.
Huge douche, no doubt.
 
#381      
pruman91
Cairo said:
My favorite part of HD's game is his flex after a dunk.
Dude has zero muscle. My sister has bigger shoulders than that guy. His legs remind me of Mr. Salty.
Huge douche, no doubt.
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it would a carny show event to see HD and zero-izzo get into a rumble..........B1G PPV....................lol
 
#382      
urbanite
TheFameProtector said:
Second sad thing about last night is I think Johnny Davis just clinched B1G POY.
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I know stats aren't everything, especially when it comes to POY accolades. But it would be a shame if Davis wins.

The stats below are from Torvik. Top 10 players in B10 conference play (40%+ minutes played) by his points over replacement metric. Includes (from left to right) Box Plus Minus, offensive rating, rate stats, and shooting percentages. Can you guess which one is Johnny Davis?

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 # PRPG!    BPM    ORTG    OR%    DR%   AST%    TO%   BLK%   STL%      2P      3P
 1   6.4   13.3   124.6    8.8   19.6    7.6    6.6    6.6    2.2   59.6%   40.3%
 2   6.1    9.7   117.1    8.6   17.8   14.7   12.2    7.4    1.2   51.7%   36.6%
 3   6.0    9.4   119.2    8.6   22.1   16.2   12.9    4.6    0.6   59.0%   30.2%
 4   5.1    8.0   113.1   12.8   28.6    6.1   13.3    2.2    1.5   58.1%    0.0%
 5   5.1    6.2   121.5    2.4   11.6   12.7   12.6    1.3    1.1   53.3%   47.4%
 6   4.7    7.3   111.3    1.5   14.2   26.4   11.3    1.6    2.5   50.9%   39.4%
 7   4.5    5.8   108.0    3.2   12.7   18.6   15.4    1.9    1.8   52.1%   30.7%
 8   4.5    7.1   102.8    4.1   25.9   13.2   12.9    1.7    1.7   48.7%   30.9%
 9   4.3    5.2   129.2    2.8    9.9    8.8    9.7    1.1    2.1   67.2%   36.8%
10   4.2    5.0   122.9   17.6   27.8   11.1   15.8    0.7    0.7   62.5%    0.0%
 
#383      
Mr. Roberts
urbanite said:
I know stats aren't everything, especially when it comes to POY accolades. But it would be a shame if Davis wins.

The stats below are from Torvik. Top 10 players in B10 conference play (40%+ minutes played) by his points over replacement metric. Includes (from left to right) Box Plus Minus, offensive rating, rate stats, and shooting percentages. Can you guess which one is Johnny Davis?

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 # PRPG!    BPM    ORTG    OR%    DR%   AST%    TO%   BLK%   STL%      2P      3P
 1   6.4   13.3   124.6    8.8   19.6    7.6    6.6    6.6    2.2   59.6%   40.3%
 2   6.1    9.7   117.1    8.6   17.8   14.7   12.2    7.4    1.2   51.7%   36.6%
 3   6.0    9.4   119.2    8.6   22.1   16.2   12.9    4.6    0.6   59.0%   30.2%
 4   5.1    8.0   113.1   12.8   28.6    6.1   13.3    2.2    1.5   58.1%    0.0%
 5   5.1    6.2   121.5    2.4   11.6   12.7   12.6    1.3    1.1   53.3%   47.4%
 6   4.7    7.3   111.3    1.5   14.2   26.4   11.3    1.6    2.5   50.9%   39.4%
 7   4.5    5.8   108.0    3.2   12.7   18.6   15.4    1.9    1.8   52.1%   30.7%
 8   4.5    7.1   102.8    4.1   25.9   13.2   12.9    1.7    1.7   48.7%   30.9%
 9   4.3    5.2   129.2    2.8    9.9    8.8    9.7    1.1    2.1   67.2%   36.8%
10   4.2    5.0   122.9   17.6   27.8   11.1   15.8    0.7    0.7   62.5%    0.0%
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Number 8?
 
#384      
Rocky
urbanite said:
I know stats aren't everything, especially when it comes to POY accolades. But it would be a shame if Davis wins.

The stats below are from Torvik. Top 10 players in B10 conference play (40%+ minutes played) by his points over replacement metric. Includes (from left to right) Box Plus Minus, offensive rating, rate stats, and shooting percentages. Can you guess which one is Johnny Davis?

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 # PRPG!    BPM    ORTG    OR%    DR%   AST%    TO%   BLK%   STL%      2P      3P
 1   6.4   13.3   124.6    8.8   19.6    7.6    6.6    6.6    2.2   59.6%   40.3%
 2   6.1    9.7   117.1    8.6   17.8   14.7   12.2    7.4    1.2   51.7%   36.6%
 3   6.0    9.4   119.2    8.6   22.1   16.2   12.9    4.6    0.6   59.0%   30.2%
 4   5.1    8.0   113.1   12.8   28.6    6.1   13.3    2.2    1.5   58.1%    0.0%
 5   5.1    6.2   121.5    2.4   11.6   12.7   12.6    1.3    1.1   53.3%   47.4%
 6   4.7    7.3   111.3    1.5   14.2   26.4   11.3    1.6    2.5   50.9%   39.4%
 7   4.5    5.8   108.0    3.2   12.7   18.6   15.4    1.9    1.8   52.1%   30.7%
 8   4.5    7.1   102.8    4.1   25.9   13.2   12.9    1.7    1.7   48.7%   30.9%
 9   4.3    5.2   129.2    2.8    9.9    8.8    9.7    1.1    2.1   67.2%   36.8%
10   4.2    5.0   122.9   17.6   27.8   11.1   15.8    0.7    0.7   62.5%    0.0%
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Nope. But I know Kofi is number 4. 0 % 3-point shooting percentage)))

I'm not sure these fancy metrics tell the whole story, not to mention the fact that they make my head swim looking at them. It's the total game impact that counts. Davis follows his own shot religiously and gets a lot of follow ups on his misses. He gets tons of rebounds. He may not make the driving shot, but he gets fouled often. And he gets to the line a lot with a solid FT shooting percentage. Teams like Iowa and even Purdue that score a lot of points (and need to in order to win) will have guys like Keegan Murray with big numbers. Not that I dislike Keegan. I think Murray is the most NBA ready guy in the league.
 
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#385      
king dad runnerup
Like Mr. Roberts, I'll guess that Johnny is #8--he's kind of a chucker at times but surely a fine all-around player. #1 in the table has to be Keegan Murray, who should be the Big 10 POY.
 
#386      
Rocky
skyIdub said:
Lot's of passive aggressive anger issues in here tonight! Some naps needed.
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#387      
Bacon Butkus Swanson
the juiceman cometh said:
I'm wondering if it's possible Big Ten doesn't get any teams higher than a 3. Efficiency based metrics don't love Big Ten this year. Kenpom has Purdue as the highest ranked at #13. NET at #12. Only Torvik has any Big Ten team in the top 10 with Purdue at #9. And none of them have Wisconsin in their top 20.
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To further your point:

The selection committee may take into account the Big Ten flame out in the NCAA Tourney last year.
 
#390      
Birdus
Deep said:
Purdue has no one to blame but themselves. Their best player was 3 of 9 from free throw line in the biggest game of year. Their big men missed lay up after lay up.
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I would hate to be in their next practice.
 
#391      
GBIllini
Wisconsin is a one trick pony. Without Davis they would have 10 more losses. Gard is a good coach but people are giving him too much credit. Everyone not gaurding Davis has to keep one eye on him as well as their own man. They all benefit from his presence.
 
#392      
727ill
GBIllini said:
Wisconsin is a one trick pony. Without Davis they would have 10 more losses. Gard is a good coach but people are giving him too much credit. Everyone not gaurding Davis has to keep one eye on him as well as their own man. They all benefit from his presence.
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This take is so dumb. Wisconsin surrounds Davis with players that are smart, dependable and don't make too many mistakes.

They play within themselves and take care of the little things in big games (like hitting free throws). Our game against them is much closer if they hit a couple more shots.
 
#394      
skyIdub
I really don't know how you can troll a team....picked by most to finish around 10th in the B1G....now B1G Champions....as a one player, one trick pony. Gard is absolutely a no brainer NCOY/B1GCOY.

They have certainly taken advantage of some luck...but we all know what they say about good luck...you make your own. This Wisky team makes their own good luck better than anyone in the B1G.
 
#395      
mydosburns
Everyone on here is talking about Davis. Tyler Wahl was the difference maker last night. Dude made nothing but winning plays. I'd love to have a player like him on our team.
 
#396      
Mr. Roberts
mydosburns said:
Everyone on here is talking about Davis. Tyler Wahl was the difference maker last night. Dude made nothing but winning plays. I'd love to have a player like him on our team.
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I agree - I love Wahl's game. So heady and controlled.
 
#397      
Bigtex
Rocky said:
Smart, balanced, disciplined team and well coached. They don't beat themselves, and they know how to manage leads with plays at the right time. These are exactly the type of teams WI has had that have advanced to the elite eight, final four, and championship game in the past.
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well said. This year they don't have a skilled big who is their star but Davis fills the star power but surprisingly Purdue did a pretty good job on him after he torched them in west Lafayette

Wahl and Hepburn were really good.
 
#399      
GBIllini
727ill said:
This take is so dumb. Wisconsin surrounds Davis with players that are smart, dependable and don't make too many mistakes.

They play within themselves and take care of the little things in big games (like hitting free throws). Our game against them is much closer if they hit a couple more shots.
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Ya but they're only 1/2 to 3/4 as affective without Davis on the team. You get to put your best defender on someone else and so on. He is also an excellent defender and rebounder. Would hurt them on that side of the ball as well. Just my take but I'm not going to call you stupid because I don't agree with you.
 
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