B1G Bowls Thread

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BZuppke

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Plainfield
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What a mess up in Minnesota. Players now calling for President and AD to resign. We have our problems but they seem to have some kind of scandal every other year. The old AD and his sexual harassment, academic scandals back in the Clem Haskins days. Wow. Something goofy going on up there every few years.
 
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Hoppy2105

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Little Rock, Arkansas
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Someone up there is going to look really bad. Either the players and their dumb coach for supporting all the kids that were suspended. (If they are guilty of whatever caused the suspension)

Or the administration is going to look stupid if they wrongfully suspended a bunch of kids and lost out on a bowl game because of it. (If the players are all innocent)

We definitely don't have all the facts so I'm curious to see how this plays out.
 
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FiveStar

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I wrote something similar to this on the Carlton Bragg thread. You have to support the victims of these crimes until the accused are 100% cleared. They're underreported crimes because it is very hard for victims to muster up the courage to report them. They are also often accusing someone they know/love. Even if they players are innocent, the school still has to suspend them until all the details paint the final, not guilty picture. The school has to send a bigger overall message that 1) being linked to that behavior is not tolerable and 2) show victims that the school has their back. This will encourage any victims in the future to speak up and in theory make for a safer overall campus environment. It might also cause potential perpetrators to think before they act. The spotlight is on football because it's their players, but the issue is clearly bigger than football.
 
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Hoppy2105

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Little Rock, Arkansas
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I wonder how Jerry Kill would have handled this whole season/this situation for Minnesota.

I guess I'm also curious as to what he think of it now from an outside, yet very connected, perspective.
 
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HoustonIllini

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Houston, TX
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FiveStar said:
I wrote something similar to this on the Carlton Bragg thread. You have to support the victims of these crimes until the accused are 100% cleared. They're underreported crimes because it is very hard for victims to muster up the courage to report them. They are also often accusing someone they know/love. Even if they players are innocent, the school still has to suspend them until all the details paint the final, not guilty picture. The school has to send a bigger overall message that 1) being linked to that behavior is not tolerable and 2) show victims that the school has their back. This will encourage any victims in the future to speak up and in theory make for a safer overall campus environment. It might also cause potential perpetrators to think before they act. The spotlight is on football because it's their players, but the issue is clearly bigger than football.
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So you're saying they are guilty and should be treated as such, until they are proven innocent?:eek::popcorn:
 
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BZuppke

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Plainfield
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I have to say I'm with FiveStar here. They are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Playing football however, is a privilege and I'm sure there are team rules. It should be stressed by the school that they are being suspended for breaking team rules and that the victims and players are not being judged in any manner until a thorough investigation determines the truth. All of that being said, it is highly unusual for the team to take the stand they did unless they feel strongly that the players are in fact innocent. This is a strange situation as the insiders (players, coaches and administration) usually know the facts and can pretty much unofficially conclude guilt or innocence early on, and hence the suspensions are just a formality until proven guilty. Stay tuned.
 
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FiveStar

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Seems too easy. I feel like the players are gonna blindside everyone and refuse to take the field or something when they get there.
 
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HoustonIllini

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Houston, TX
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JucoIllini10 said:
Innocent until proven guilty for criminal charges (and prosecutor ultimately decided not to pursue charges).

However, the university has every right to punish students for not living up to university's moral standards. Read the EOAA report and decide if these are the young men you want representing your university.

http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/U of M EOAA redacted4.pdf
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Without having read nor seen anything regarding the facts surrounding the situation, we're in agreement that they are owed due diligence in the criminal justice system. But to automatically yank someone out of school or off the team for yet to be substantiated allegations is not right either. See Duke lacrosse . . .

I can actually buy the suspension, except that it does deprive the "student" athlete of eligibility in the money sports of football and basketball, which probably cannot be recouped. And if they are found to be innocent in criminal courts (I understand the wide variability between "innocent" and "not guilty"), will they be made whole by the university and the NCAA? I think not.

We need to protect the victims of domestic or sexual assault, but need to find a way to protect the rights of the accused also . . . and I don't think our CJ system has figured out how to do this well within the constraints imposed by the Constitution and our ever-present media.

P.S. Before anyone thinks I might be a bleeding heart, I spent 7 years with a badge and a firm believer in a law abiding society. I also think my years on campus at the U of I taught me to think critically. :illinois:
 
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MadSeason

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FiveStar said:
Seems too easy. I feel like the players are gonna blindside everyone and refuse to take the field or something when they get there.
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I doubt it. I think it's more likely they saw the horrific support and immediately backtracked because they looked like absolute morons for the stance they took.
 
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Illiniwek66

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HoustonIllini said:
Without having read nor seen anything regarding the facts surrounding the situation, we're in agreement that they are owed due diligence in the criminal justice system. But to automatically yank someone out of school or off the team for yet to be substantiated allegations is not right either. See Duke lacrosse . . .



I can actually buy the suspension, except that it does deprive the "student" athlete of eligibility in the money sports of football and basketball, which probably cannot be recouped. And if they are found to be innocent in criminal courts (I understand the wide variability between "innocent" and "not guilty"), will they be made whole by the university and the NCAA? I think not.



We need to protect the victims of domestic or sexual assault, but need to find a way to protect the rights of the accused also . . . and I don't think our CJ system has figured out how to do this well within the constraints imposed by the Constitution and our ever-present media.



P.S. Before anyone thinks I might be a bleeding heart, I spent 7 years with a badge and a firm believer in a law abiding society. I also think my years on campus at the U of I taught me to think critically. :illinois:
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The criminal justice system and a university discipline are totally separate. At the very least these young men showed unbelievably poor judgment. Multiple men having sex one after the other with a drunk girl is enough for me to say good riddance to them as representatives of a university.

I'm sure minnesota's deplorable coach will excuse it, but I would hope he's on his way out too.


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#69      

Illini4Reel

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Champaign, IL.
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Innocent until proven guilty. I just read the full police report, and my gosh this is disheartening and disgusting if true. Not a good look.
 
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BZuppke

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Plainfield
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Gophers getting it done. I would say most of their guys playing tonight are like any other teams'. Go Gophers. Go B1G!