Big Ten Media Rights / Conference Realignment

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Hoppy2105

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Hoppy2105
icengineer said:
Define walk. For me walk is a .500 record. Anyhow, I'll not belabor the point. I just simply think having a top tier team on the noncon schedule does more good then harm in the long run. Some of you don't, and that's okay.:shakehands:
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Oh it's definitely A okay to have different opinions about the matter, but unless you are already a Texas level team, it has been shown that scheduling hard does you no favors. Robert from Illiniboard could talk for days on it. Go find some of his posts and you will see that scheduling too hard too fast will kill us.

Now, you did say we shouldn't put a team like Texas on the schedule yet but instead maybe in a few years. That is exactly what we are saying as well. Let's become a consistent bowl team (3-4 in a row) before we start getting creative with non con schedules. (And even then we should schedule teams we think we can beat with our talent. Losing to Texas by 45 on ESPN will not help our program image)
 
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WesterveltVictoryCigar

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Hoppy2105 said:
Now, you did say we shouldn't put a team like Texas on the schedule yet but instead maybe in a few years. That is exactly what we are saying as well. Let's become a consistent bowl team (3-4 in a row) before we start getting creative with non con schedules. (And even then we should schedule teams we think we can beat with our talent. Losing to Texas by 45 on ESPN will not help our program image)
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The difficult part is, as I mentioned, the non-con games against other P5 teams are done years in advance, we're already booked through 2026. Now of course you could buy out of those contracts if you want, but most likely teams like Texas or similar are also booked way out into the future already. It's pretty risky to try and guess how good you're going to be (or how good the opponents are) so far in advance.
 
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Greensboro

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WesterveltVictoryCigar said:
The difficult part is, as I mentioned, the non-con games against other P5 teams are done years in advance, we're already booked through 2026. Now of course you could buy out of those contracts if you want, but most likely teams like Texas or similar are also booked way out into the future already. It's pretty risky to try and guess how good you're going to be (or how good the opponents are) so far in advance.
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Assume this is the latest, fully booked thru 2022, games to 2025

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.php

fyi...Texas has Michigan in 2027 & tOSU in 2022 & 2023, so they beat us to texas.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/texas-longhorns.php
 
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Hoppy2105

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WesterveltVictoryCigar said:
The difficult part is, as I mentioned, the non-con games against other P5 teams are done years in advance, we're already booked through 2026. Now of course you could buy out of those contracts if you want, but most likely teams like Texas or similar are also booked way out into the future already. It's pretty risky to try and guess how good you're going to be (or how good the opponents are) so far in advance.
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So true. Who would have guessed the UNC team we played last year was going to be an 11-3 team and ranked as high as 8th when we set up that home and home??

The only thing I can think of (and I truly don't even know if this actually happens) is getting invited to a neutral site, non-con, big time game and somehow we are able to get out of the game with whatever opponent was originally scheduled.

Luckily, like most of us have been saying, we will have UM and tOSU on the menu 3 of the next 4 years so we don't need to schedule any top 10 teams.
 
#206      

Dan

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Admin
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ESPN stays in the game

ESPN will buy the second half of the Big Ten’s media rights package, ending months of speculation that the two were about to sever their 50-year relationship.

ESPN will pay an average of $190 million per year over six years for essentially half the conference’s media rights package, according to several sources close to the talks. Two months ago, Fox Sports agreed to take the other half of the package for an average of $240 million per year. CBS Sports also has told the conference that it will renew its basketball-only package for $10 million per year.

The six-year, $2.64 billion media rights haul represents a big win for the Big Ten Conference, of course, which will see its average media rights payout nearly triple when it takes effect next fall.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/06/20/Media/ESPN-Big-Ten.aspx
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Kazanski

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50-year relationship? That would take us back to 1966. ESPN launched in '79. Am I missing something?
 
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Second and Chalmers

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BWBW said:
Well-played?
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Very well played. That's a very comparable figure for a considerably worse package. Fox gets the title game and Michigan-Ohio State. The choices alternate so the ESPN package is a bit better minus those two, but regardless, if you calculate it as $50 million for the title game and Michigan-tOSU then Fox made out like bandits.
 
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illinoisportsfan

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Second and Chalmers, Table of One:

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#215      

DrewD007

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Woodridge, IL
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With games on Fox, FS1, ABC, ESPN, ESPN 2 and BTN I would hope this reduces the number of 11 AM kickoffs.
 
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Greensboro

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Greensboro said:
http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/big-ten-schools-will-see-media-revenues-skyrocket-thanks-new-tv-deal.html

Year 2015 2018
First-tier rights (full members) ~$9 million ~$35 million
Other rights and BTN ~$12.5 million ~$12.5 million (or more)
College Football Playoff $4.7 million $4.7 million
NCAA distribution $4.4 million $4.4 million
Big Ten Tournament
and Championship Game $740,000 $740,000
Total $32,407,363 ~$57 million
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So ends up something like this?? assumed equal share, $430 mil/14, same money year 1 vs. year 6, none of other rights goes down, no growth in other lines

........................................................2018
First-tier rights (full members).............~$30.7 million (430 mil/14)
Other rights and BTN...........................~$12.5 million (2015)
College Football Playoff.........................$4.7 million (2015)
NCAA distribution ................................$4.4 million (2015)
Big Ten Tournament
and Championship Game........................$0.7 (10 mil/14)
Total...................................................~$53 million

Nice tool for world domination!
 
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WesterveltVictoryCigar

WesterveltVictoryCigar
WesterveltVictoryCigar
Greensboro said:
So ends up something like this?? assumed equal share, $430 mil/14, same money year 1 vs. year 6, none of other rights goes down, no growth in other lines

........................................................2018
First-tier rights (full members).............~$30.7 million (430 mil/14)
Other rights and BTN...........................~$12.5 million (2015)
College Football Playoff.........................$4.7 million (2015)
NCAA distribution ................................$4.4 million (2015)
Big Ten Tournament
and Championship Game........................$0.7 (10 mil/14)
Total...................................................~$53 million

Nice tool for world domination!
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First tier is actually $440 mil - $10 mil from CBS to go along with $240 from Fox and $190 from ESPN.

Also as previously discussed, the BTN money should be increasing by some unknown amount.

Not sure if Rutgers and MD are full shares yet? I don't think so, so a little more pie for UI. :)

Also it was mentioned on another board that it wasn't long ago that the entire DIA budget was around $50 mil. :eek
 
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Greensboro

Greensboro
Greensboro
WesterveltVictoryCigar said:
First tier is actually $440 mil - $10 mil from CBS to go along with $240 from Fox and $190 from ESPN.

Also as previously discussed, the BTN money should be increasing by some unknown amount.

Not sure if Rutgers and MD are full shares yet? I don't think so, so a little more pie for UI. :)

Also it was mentioned on another board that it wasn't long ago that the entire DIA budget was around $50 mil. :eek
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I stuck the CBS money in the big 10 tourney/championship line at the bottom, so still same number at end

Nebraska 2018 , Rutgers/MD 2021, so yes Illinois share is more.

Yes 50 mill is a huge number... compare that to Rutgers last Big East payout of 9.5 mil or the $50 million buyout that MD has before negotiating down & which the ACC thought would hold it together. The SEC, Big12, ACC have to be thinking what the heck. When ACC Grant of rights is up I think the question will be which ACC teams does this break lose & the obvious answer will be whichever one Delaney wants.
 
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Joel Goodson

Joel Goodson
ties will be resolved
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Initial move will be GT and FSU. That should destabilize the ACC sufficiently to pry loose UVa and UNC. Boom! Cataclysmic! And brings the BIG that much closer to the original B10 in the Western division (minus IU, which makes it all the sweeter). Jim Delany: empire builder.
 
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BananaShampoo

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Captain 'Paign
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Joel Goodson said:
Initial move will be GT and FSU. That should destabilize the ACC sufficiently to pry loose UVa and UNC. Boom! Cataclysmic! And brings the BIG that much closer to the original B10 in the Western division (minus IU, which makes it all the sweeter). Jim Delany: empire builder.
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I can see GT, but FSU? Don't think they are close to fitting the academic profile. I'd think a Clemson would be more likely.
 
#222      

Second and Chalmers

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Second and Chalmers
BananaShampoo said:
I can see GT, but FSU? Don't think they are close to fitting the academic profile. I'd think a Clemson would be more likely.
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There's something wonderfully childlike about the Big Ten World Domination stuff. You just picture kids playing with their action figures putting Batman AND Superman AND Iron Man AND Spiderman ALL onboard the Millenium Falcon! How cool is that!?
 
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Joel Goodson

Joel Goodson
ties will be resolved
Joel Goodson
BananaShampoo said:
I can see GT, but FSU? Don't think they are close to fitting the academic profile. I'd think a Clemson would be more likely.
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FSU vs. Clemson? C'mon, man! No brainer: FL >>>>> SC, FSU is a minor king (whereas CU isn't). Academics aren't in play in this equation. Going off on a tangent, but are CU's academics markedly better than FSU's? Moot point, regardless.
 
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Joel Goodson

Joel Goodson
ties will be resolved
Joel Goodson
Second and Chalmers said:
There's something wonderfully childlike about the Big Ten World Domination stuff. You just picture kids playing with their action figures putting Batman AND Superman AND Iron Man AND Spiderman ALL onboard the Millenium Falcon! How cool is that!?
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Oh, great swami, please tell us what you foresee.
 
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Greensboro

Greensboro
Greensboro
Second and Chalmers said:
There's something wonderfully childlike about the Big Ten World Domination stuff. You just picture kids playing with their action figures putting Batman AND Superman AND Iron Man AND Spiderman ALL onboard the Millenium Falcon! How cool is that!?
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Like it or not...Jim Delany is playing & at 50 million + the game has changed.

Could 50 million sway even the SEC? I don't know, but everyone has a price in this game and if SEC is 15 - 20 million below the B1G you have to wonder. At what point can ND no longer afford to stay independent? How does Texas take Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota making more money in TV rights than they do?