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But…but… but… I can’t stand Alabama. That’s gotta count for something, right.
Bowls/Playoff Selection Sunday
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This is what I would have done.
Not sure which spin I love more.
"Better ACC record than Miami" losing to Miami and going 4-0 vs Pitt, BC, Cuse, and NC State while Miami beat ND and also went 4-0 vs those common opponents
Or
"Played more P4 teams" while loading up on trash programs like BC, Stanford, Purdue, and Cuse.
ND does not deserve to get in. But this playoff is a joke. Bama should not be in, pick one between JMU and Tulane. BYU played a tougher schedule than both of them. Duke should be in as they won their conference championship as championship games should mean something. As much as I hate Michigan, they should be in as they played a tougher schedule than Miami.
For the quarterfinal hosts, Indiana will play in the Rose Bowl, Ohio State will play in the Cotton Bowl, Georgia will play in the Sugar Bowl, and Texas Tech will play in the Orange Bowl.
Those of us who watched the World Cup draw on Friday have entered the chat.
mattcoldagelli
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But this is the bed ND makes with their schedule, right? If they want to be category-of-one special unicorns, they’d better beat the playoff-caliber teams, regardless of when they play them.
Conveniently ignoring that Pitt was 6-2 in the ACC, and ND also beat #16 USC by 10 and blew out every other team they played, while Miami lost two games to ACC teams, including a middling Louisville team, and I'm the one spinning?
Can only play the teams on their schedule, and they scheduled 10 games against P4 opponents, 6 against the ACC, 2 SEC, 2 B1G, with 2 other games against Navy (who they schedule every year) and Boise State, who won the MWC and made the playoff last year. They lost two games by 4 total points in the first 2 weeks of the season.
That's why metrics exist, to take the implicit bias from the eye test out of the equation so teams can be empirically evaluated. By that evaluation, ND was a top 5 team that didn't get into a 12 team playoff, which just shouldn't happen.
looking like Pop Tarts bowl in Orlando before Christmas
Imagine JMU playing Ind in the CFP.
Agree. ND has gotten the benefit of the doubt for decades. I have no issue, even it it isn't entirely fair, for them to get the short end of the stick now; Karma for arrogance.
And don't forget Arkansas, the worst team in the SEC.
JMU and Tulane both deserve to be in, they weren't picked at random, they were two of the top 5 conference champions. That's more on the ACC for being terrible.
illinifan31
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As an ND grad, this is a pretty big joke. Makes me wonder if ESPNs investments into the SEC could cause some impact on the selection.
If you have 12 teams in but somehow leave out the team with the 4th highest odds to win it all, what is the point? ND would boatrace Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Alabama without a doubt in my mind.
If you have 12 teams in but somehow leave out the team with the 4th highest odds to win it all, what is the point? ND would boatrace Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Alabama without a doubt in my mind.
illinifan31
Former Krush Cow
- South Bend, IN
Ole Miss 41 Arkansas 35
Notre Dame 56 Arkansas 16
Tennessee 34 Arkansas 31
Texas A&M 45 Arkansas 42
LSU 23 Arkansas 22
Why can't we at least be honest about things? One of these is not like the others.
mattcoldagelli
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Oh, you’re just now wondering that?
with all due respect
playing Arky as a conference rival is tougher .
and I watched Texas Tech yesterday . nfw ND boat races them .
there is a price to pay for independence. they found out today in spades
Arkansas got blown out by ND but they did have 365 total yards on offense. Arkansas's problems, as the scores you posted point out, they have no defense. ND should join a conference and drop Navy. This isn't 1945 when Army and Navy were top teams. If ND loses 2 games in the regular season, and their best win is over a average USC team at home, they are not getting in.
Are you sure ND easily beats Texas Tech? ND beat a horrible BC team by only 15 points. I do believe ND should have got in over 'Bama. I wonder if ND, being on NBC, while college football is basically controlled by ESPN (ABC), was hurt by the NBC contract?
My post specifically pointed out that both ND and Miami beat Pitt. And while we're there, Miami beat Pitt by a larger margin. So, If we're putting that much load bearing weight on blowing out teams, Miami beat 3 of the 4 common opponents by bigger margins.
The conferences need to be smarter about their championship games. Miami should have played UVA because that would have made sure the ACC had a spot. Have to be able to flex to do the best for the conference finically rather than who is conference champs based on tie breakers. It is not like the schedules are balanced
To some extent yes, but if you're going to allow an independent team to make the playoff you have to judge them on their resume. It is definitely flawed, but it's also better than Miami's.
More than anything I think their snub is a consequence of 1. The committee feeling they need a team from the ACC (while simultaneously not crediting ND's ACC-heavy schedule) and 2. The committee being unjustifiably enamored with the SEC.
Basically Ole Miss beat a bunch of ho-hum SEC teams and Oklahoma, but Oklahoma is a playoff team so that's good right? And Oklahoma beat a bunch of bad ho-hum teams and Alabama, and Alabama is a playoff team so that's good right? And Alabama beat Georgia (just ignore that they more recently got crushed by them and that they also lost to a terrible FSU team) so they're good right?
Yeah, if you decide these teams are good from the outset, and they beat up on each other, then you can say - "see, told you they were good." But, where's the evidence that your initial assessment was right?
mattcoldagelli
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Agreement with all of this, which IMO is an argument for BYU being the team that should have been in
not sure it was a fair representation , but BYU was beaten badly by T Tech yesterday
Iowa State, K-State skip bowl games, fined $500K by Big 12
Iowa State and Kansas State have each been fined $500,000 by the Big 12 for choosing to turn down bowl invitations. Both programs made their decisions after coaching changes last week.
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