Bracketology (Week of March 8th)

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iLL 89ers

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Go Nats 88 Illini said:
Yes. BTT can change the 3/4 in the #1. Won't change the #1 seeds but UM/UI can switch places. Though it is not a big deal either way, imho.
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Understand 100% , but the way I`m thinking it will say to everyone in NCAA who they think is #1 out of the big ten....if they call our Beloved Illini` the third overall highest seed behind Gonzaga and Baylor ;) , not that the Illinois Coaches and Players really care, because they have done everything the BiG asked them to do (and seem as dialed in as a team can be as of right now) , now it will be time to "Unleash the Kraken"...
This team doesn't need bulletin board stuff , they are playing for each other and the coaches ,it`s easy to see since Izzo clowns started the mess PERIOD !
One game at a time starting soon......;)
 
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yes sir, I missed stepped by a decade across the board lol
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That's what I thought. I get what you are saying though. Duke had a nice run of Final Fours from really 86 to 92 but didn't break thru and win it all until 91. They did carry that edge after getting blown out in 90 by UNLV into the 91 season and got very hot in the tournament. They crushed everybody except UNLV en route to the title.
 
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They lost games. I'm not sure what your point is. So did we. Iowa is ahead of us on KenPom and Torvik. Some computers think they're the better team and some analysts think they have a chance to jump Illinois for the 1 seed if things fall a certain way.

The fact that you think Michigan is behind us is just comical and shows how little you actually understand this stuff. Michigan is currently the 3rd #1 seed in EVERY reputable bracket.
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So I see some analysts like Jerry Palm say that Michigan is a lock, and both Iowa and OSU can catch us for a 1 seed if they win the BTT. First of all, I can't possibly see how OSU is in the running for a 1 seed. They have lost 4 straight and have 8 conference losses. The best they can do is a top 2 - 2 seed. Iowa, I can believe, if they beat us and beat Michigan in the BTT.

But my real question is why Michigan is a #1 seed lock and Illinois supposedly isn't. There is nothing on Michigan's resume that is better than Illinois'. Illinois has the best win. Michigan's best win is at OSU, which Illinois also has. Illinois 9 Q1 wins, Michigan 7. Illinois SOS - #6, Michigan SOS - #23. Illinois has a bad loss which is at home to Maryland, which is essentially the only difference.
 
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Saw the bracketology other day had Ok State as the 4 in our region. The Cade Cunningham matchup terrifies me, as I don't think we really have anyone to matchup with him. I guess that's true for most teams but it seems like long athletic wings like Ron Harper Jr, Aaron Henry, Justice Sueing have really hurt us recently, and Cade Cunningham is those guys size with PG skills and the likely #1 pick in the draft. There will also be the Underwood left OK State angle, so could see the committee slotting us together.
 
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I believe the committee has already chosen the 1seed and 2 seeds for the NCAA tourney. Zags, Baylor, ILL, Mi. You will find Ia in the 2seed and OSU either the last 2 seed or on the 3 line. Pu will be a 4 or 5 seed. The rest will be a crap shoot. Now ILL and Mi can switch to either 3 or 4 first line. I would love to see Zags play Baylor in the final with ILL playing Mi and we win and play the Zags and do to them what we did last time we played them. Win the whole shooting match.
 
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ugottabjoshinme said:
So I see some analysts like Jerry Palm say that Michigan is a lock, and both Iowa and OSU can catch us for a 1 seed if they win the BTT. First of all, I can't possibly see how OSU is in the running for a 1 seed. They have lost 4 straight and have 8 conference losses. The best they can do is a top 2 - 2 seed. Iowa, I can believe, if they beat us and beat Michigan in the BTT.

But my real question is why Michigan is a #1 seed lock and Illinois supposedly isn't. There is nothing on Michigan's resume that is better than Illinois'. Illinois has the best win. Michigan's best win is at OSU, which Illinois also has. Illinois 9 Q1 wins, Michigan 7. Illinois SOS - #6, Michigan SOS - #23. Illinois has a bad loss which is at home to Maryland, which is essentially the only difference.
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Palm was on the Score this morning saying that same thing. Illinois can get passed for No. 1 seed by Iowa, Ohio State and Alabama depending on what happens this weekend.

Also said Loyola is a 10 seed and Michigan State is in. Only Big Ten team on the bubble is Maryland. And took some (deserved) shots at Indiana....even if he's a Purdue grad.
 
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Bleedorangeandblue44 said:
Palm was on the Score this morning saying that same thing. Illinois can get passed for No. 1 seed by Iowa, Ohio State and Alabama depending on what happens this weekend.

Also said Loyola is a 10 seed and Michigan State is in. Only Big Ten team on the bubble is Maryland. And took some (deserved) shots at Indiana....even if he's a Purdue grad.
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It would be interesting to know, over the last twenty years, what % of National Champs also won their conference tournaments that year...
 
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Central IL Illini said:
Saw the bracketology other day had Ok State as the 4 in our region. The Cade Cunningham matchup terrifies me, as I don't think we really have anyone to matchup with him. I guess that's true for most teams but it seems like long athletic wings like Ron Harper Jr, Aaron Henry, Justice Sueing have really hurt us recently, and Cade Cunningham is those guys size with PG skills and the likely #1 pick in the draft. There will also be the Underwood left OK State angle, so could see the committee slotting us together.
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Lunardi is wrong more than he's right. I think he put OK State there for the "Illini vs former coach" storyline.
 
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Colgate's NET rating is now 8, just ahead of Ohio State.

Before anyone decries the NET of being worthless and broken because of this, keep in mind the only reason Colgate has a NET of 8 is because their entire schedule has been in a small bubble of teams, so there is no good cross comparison tool (they have played a grand total of 3 teams that have played nobody else, and have dominated them thoroughly).

They'll finally play a team outside their bubble tomorrow in Bucknell, but Bucknell is also terrible, meaning Colgate will continue to have no Quad 1 wins (not even close) and 2 Quad 2 wins (because one of the 3 teams in their bubble, Army, has a 111 NET rating, so the 2 road games at Army are Q2 wins).

Their strength of record is 56, behind Kentucky and Indiana. Their KenPom ranking is 89, about on par with Nebraska. They'll be a curious case for committee seeding assuming they win the Patriot tourney (the only other decent team, Navy, already lost, so Colgate is a heavy favorite now).
 
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ugottabjoshinme said:
So I see some analysts like Jerry Palm say that Michigan is a lock, and both Iowa and OSU can catch us for a 1 seed if they win the BTT. First of all, I can't possibly see how OSU is in the running for a 1 seed. They have lost 4 straight and have 8 conference losses. The best they can do is a top 2 - 2 seed. Iowa, I can believe, if they beat us and beat Michigan in the BTT.

But my real question is why Michigan is a #1 seed lock and Illinois supposedly isn't. There is nothing on Michigan's resume that is better than Illinois'. Illinois has the best win. Michigan's best win is at OSU, which Illinois also has. Illinois 9 Q1 wins, Michigan 7. Illinois SOS - #6, Michigan SOS - #23. Illinois has a bad loss which is at home to Maryland, which is essentially the only difference.
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To be honest, I doubt most of these analysts really do a deep dive into these things. I’d guess Mich being considered a lock comes down to: 1. Being ahead of Illinois in NET and 2. Mich having only 3 losses to IL’s 6 losses. And likely more the latter than the former. Same reason Iowa is supposedly still in play for #1 — they only have one more loss than Illinois.
 
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Piotyr said:
Colgate's NET rating is now 8, just ahead of Ohio State.

Before anyone decries the NET of being worthless and broken because of this, keep in mind the only reason Colgate has a NET of 8 is because their entire schedule has been in a small bubble of teams, so there is no good cross comparison tool (they have played a grand total of 3 teams that have played nobody else, and have dominated them thoroughly).

They'll finally play a team outside their bubble tomorrow in Bucknell, but Bucknell is also terrible, meaning Colgate will continue to have no Quad 1 wins (not even close) and 2 Quad 2 wins (because one of the 3 teams in their bubble, Army, has a 111 NET rating, so the 2 road games at Army are Q2 wins).

Their strength of record is 56, behind Kentucky and Indiana. Their KenPom ranking is 89, about on par with Nebraska. They'll be a curious case for committee seeding assuming they win the Patriot tourney (the only other decent team, Navy, already lost, so Colgate is a heavy favorite now).
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I'd imagine they will be an 11/12 and only get in if the win their tournament. A team like Loyala, who the NET also likes, is probably a 10. Neither have any sort of resume to justify being higher.
 
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ugottabjoshinme said:
I'd imagine they will be an 11/12 and only get in if the win their tournament. A team like Loyala, who the NET also likes, is probably a 10. Neither have any sort of resume to justify being higher.
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Oh I expect them to be closer to a 14, but the committee could squint and see them as an 11/12 and they would be the weakest 11/12 in recent memory.
 
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Minnesota and Indiana are the textbook examples of how to drop out of bid contention. On February 11, Minnesota beat Purdue to get to 6-7 in conference while Indiana was 6-6 in conference. Both were in the 7-8 seed range in brackets. They then proceeded to lose 13 of their last 14 combined games, with the lone victory being an Indiana win over Minnesota, and both are not even in contention for a bid now.
 
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Piotyr said:
Minnesota and Indiana are the textbook examples of how to drop out of bid contention. On February 11, Minnesota beat Purdue to get to 6-7 in conference while Indiana was 6-6 in conference. Both were in the 7-8 seed range in brackets. They then proceeded to lose 13 of their last 14 combined games, with the lone victory being an Indiana win over Minnesota, and both are not even in contention for a bid now.
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Which is a bit ridiculous because Minnesota and Indiana would more than likely wipe the floor with a lot of the mid major teams on the bubble.
 
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AnnaMay said:
Which is a bit ridiculous because Minnesota and Indiana would more than likely wipe the floor with a lot of the mid major teams on the bubble.
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A healthy Minnesota, perhaps. What's left of Minnesota can't beat Northwestern or Nebraska.

Indiana should be better than they are, but they can't shoot and can't defend, which makes it hard to win games.
 
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Saw the bracketology other day had Ok State as the 4 in our region. The Cade Cunningham matchup terrifies me, as I don't think we really have anyone to matchup with him. I guess that's true for most teams but it seems like long athletic wings like Ron Harper Jr, Aaron Henry, Justice Sueing have really hurt us recently, and Cade Cunningham is those guys size with PG skills and the likely #1 pick in the draft. There will also be the Underwood left OK State angle, so could see the committee slotting us together.
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I hear you, he's certainly capable of going on a Carmelo Anthony type run to the title, but I do think we would be able to overcome - Ayo gives up a couple of inches, but could match up with him and make him work for it and we have the inside help that a lot of teams don't.
 
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Henson71 said:
I hear you, he's certainly capable of going on a Carmelo Anthony type run to the title, but I do think we would be able to overcome - Ayo gives up a couple of inches, but could match up with him and make him work for it and we have the inside help that a lot of teams don't.
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And Damonte is no slouch as a defender either... he has a big wingspan. Kofi inside is also a deterrent that most teams don't have.
 
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BillyBob1 said:
Has Illinois moved ahead of the fake BIG champions in seeding?
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Don`t know as of right now , but think they will be for sure come this weekend if there not already (IMO I think they moved ahead of Michigan based on last weeks events) Illini beat Michigan and Ohio State finishing 2-0 on the road , and Michigan lost 2 games last week going 1-2 , think it seems logical but does the NCAA board committee love them that much also?
 
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Piotyr said:
Colgate's NET rating is now 8, just ahead of Ohio State.

Before anyone decries the NET of being worthless and broken because of this, keep in mind the only reason Colgate has a NET of 8 is because their entire schedule has been in a small bubble of teams, so there is no good cross comparison tool (they have played a grand total of 3 teams that have played nobody else, and have dominated them thoroughly).

They'll finally play a team outside their bubble tomorrow in Bucknell, but Bucknell is also terrible, meaning Colgate will continue to have no Quad 1 wins (not even close) and 2 Quad 2 wins (because one of the 3 teams in their bubble, Army, has a 111 NET rating, so the 2 road games at Army are Q2 wins).

Their strength of record is 56, behind Kentucky and Indiana. Their KenPom ranking is 89, about on par with Nebraska. They'll be a curious case for committee seeding assuming they win the Patriot tourney (the only other decent team, Navy, already lost, so Colgate is a heavy favorite now).
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Bucknell

I can’t hear that name without thinking of Self/Kansas losing to them about 12-14 years ago
 
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GilThorpe said:
Bucknell

I can’t hear that name without thinking of Self/Kansas losing to them about 12-14 years ago
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My favorite teams outside of our beloved is Bradley, Mercer, Lehigh, Nicholls State, Morehead St, Middle Tennessee, Bucknell, and Northern Iowa. This is is fluid as more could be added each year. Oh, I forgot Georgia State.
 
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