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It would be so Illinois to be paired with the #6 ranked NET team in the second round
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
We were the 2nd 4 seed, Houston was the 2nd 5 seed (source).
The usual pairing would be best 4 - worst 5; we should have been paired with the 3rd 5. But minor tweaks have to happen to avoid rematches, conference teams being paired, etc., so it wasn't that unusual.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I also am a firm believer that we played ourselves into that spot with the loss to Indiana in the BTT. Indiana was #38 in the NET Rankings, so that would have been a Quad 1 win on a neutral court. IU then lost a nail-biter to #14 Iowa, which would have been yet another Quad 1 opportunity and a chance at a "Quad 1A" win at that. I think two more Quad 1 wins likely gets us the last #3 seed ... and maybe a Sweet Sixteen.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Since time immemorial there have been 2 sub-regional sites and then 1 regional final in the Western US.
NEVER, not one single time, have there been enough top seeds from the Western US to avoid sending Eastern schools to the Western sites, very frequently forcing them to play more local schools as lower seeds. This happens every single year without fail.
A modest proposal: Do 2 regional finals in the West and only have 1 sub-regional site out there.
Location matters less for regional finals crowd-wise, and the teams present have earned their way there. It is more okay for that to be geographically incongruous.
So sayeth Gritty!
NEVER, not one single time, have there been enough top seeds from the Western US to avoid sending Eastern schools to the Western sites, very frequently forcing them to play more local schools as lower seeds. This happens every single year without fail.
A modest proposal: Do 2 regional finals in the West and only have 1 sub-regional site out there.
Location matters less for regional finals crowd-wise, and the teams present have earned their way there. It is more okay for that to be geographically incongruous.
So sayeth Gritty!
We can still play Tennessee. They only avoid regular season non-con rematches in the first round and it’s only an “additional consideration”.Totally forgot about the NCAA selection rules that we cannot play Purdue in the S16 and we should not play Tennessee. Pretty good chance we end up having to play one of the top 2 teams (UConn or Houston) in the 3rd round (if we get there) even if we’re the top 4 seed.
Totally forgot about the NCAA selection rules that we cannot play Purdue in the S16 and we should not play Tennessee. Pretty good chance we end up having to play one of the top 2 teams (UConn or Houston) in the 3rd round (if we get there
Don't want anything to do with Houston.
Bracket matrix has us 14th, a whisker ahead of AL and Auburn. Would be nice to get to the BIG finals --think that's the best chance of moving up a couple spots or up to a 3 seed.
I think the only way we get a 3 seed at this point is to blow out our opponents in the first two rounds of the BTT (15+ pt wins) and have KS get blown out. The lack of a signature win really hurts.
I think Tennessee would be the only number 1 seed that I want to play. We shot like crap at their place and still had a chance to beat them. plus Rick Barnes tends to
underperform in the tourney
This is from the NCAA website - you’re right that regular season non-con rematches are “additional considerations” but it extends to the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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KU's Dickinson, McCullar to miss Big 12 tourney
Kansas stars Hunter Dickinson and Kevin McCullar Jr. won't play in the Big 12 tournament this week due to injuries, coach Bill Self said Monday.
I don’t see KU going far. Self wants his team healthy and is going to focus on the NCAA. Not saying they aren’t capable of winning but 2 starters out will be hard.
I edited to show the updated link. The one you referenced is from 2011.
I think KU is the one that is overrated by the bracket experts. The metrics (NET included) and pollsters both have them in the 5 seed range yet they've appeared to be cemented as a 3 in the brackets.KU's Dickinson, McCullar to miss Big 12 tourney
Kansas stars Hunter Dickinson and Kevin McCullar Jr. won't play in the Big 12 tournament this week due to injuries, coach Bill Self said Monday.www.espn.com
I don’t see KU going far. Self wants his team healthy and is going to focus on the NCAA. Not saying they aren’t capable of winning but 2 starters out will be hard.
Ahhh gotcha. That works out a little better for us then
Yes I’m really hoping if we are a 4 seed to get 1 seed Tenn or UNC
I agree. Auburn is a matchup nightmare for us.
We won't get put in the same region as Purdue. The only one that really scares me is UCONN so we will probably get them.
I think Houston would be an interesting matchup. They're very good but I think we would lose some matchup problems with our size and how fast we can play. They literally play at the slowest pace in the NCAA which is a recipe that is always ripe for an upset in March or at least a lot of close games.
They do basically play 4 guards but 3 of them are small and only Shead really has success inside so you could probably be ok just running them off the 3 pt line(easier said than done) and I think Coleman matches up well with Roberts . Plus they're lineup is 6'1, 6'1, 6'3, 6'5, 6'7 (first two off the bench are 6'5 and 6'8). That absolutely screams Domask putting on a clinic and Shannon, Rodgers, and Coleman having a ton of success inside(maybe even Dain). Goode is likely unplayable in this matchup though.
I'd be fine with Tennessee and Arizona. Probably don't want to see UNC just because Bacot and Davis combo.
Nah UNC is a bad matchup. Gimme Houston all day over them.
Love and Bacot will cook us on offense and Ingram is probably one of the few defenders capable of guarding both Shannon and Domask.
Honest prediction: this team typically beats teams ranked lower than them on the metrics (with a couple bad late game melt downs) and looses to teams ranked higher. Illinois will likely win until they face a team with enough size to stop Domask and a good enough point guard to create mismatches on screening action. I’d add Creighton to the list of teams who would be a difficult match up for us.
The wild card is Shannon whose only weakness seems to be loose handles at times against smaller guards. I’d love to see him be a true lottery pick type player and take over a game where we are not favored.
Strategy note: I think Illinois should move the high ball screens about 4-6 feet further from the basket and run them with Shannon and Hawkins to give them both an extra step to work with.
The wild card is Shannon whose only weakness seems to be loose handles at times against smaller guards. I’d love to see him be a true lottery pick type player and take over a game where we are not favored.
Strategy note: I think Illinois should move the high ball screens about 4-6 feet further from the basket and run them with Shannon and Hawkins to give them both an extra step to work with.
Love plays for Arizona
I am not worried about what 1/2 seed is in our bracket
Take every game one at a time because that is all that matters. You never know how the bracket will look with upsets
Does the committee still value away/neutral wins? That metric for us stacks up with any of the potential 3 seeds.
Chad Fleck
- Eureka, IL
Norlander said away wins are a worthy note still earlier this week.
UConn does not scare me. Bring them on! TO be the best, gotta beat the best. Would be nice to knock them out.
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