Indy Illini Fan any chance that Bill Self would consider coming back home to Illinois?
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Agreed. My sense is that there aren't THAT many Illini fans that are just outright calling for Brad to go at this point.@Illini_1105 - I agree with you that BU’s our coach through the end of the season and next season whether we make the NCAAT or not. Brad could be here next year and for years to come.
Based on his previous posts, I think what Indy is saying is that there are some significant changes that Josh will require of BU’s staff and that things might come to a crossroads. Brad might choose to leave. It’s also been reported that BU’s agent is actively reaching out to express interest in other head coaching positions and earlier in the season than he usually does, specifically for the Texas job which Brad apparently wanted 3 years ago when it last opened.
There’s a lot of things in the air but we’ll come out in a better spot regardless of BU staying or leaving thanks to Josh.
Most seem to be giving the caveat of something along the lines of "if no changes are made" with respect to the assistant coaching staff - meaning we really need to bring in some EXPERIENCED high-level college assistants that can help with Xs and Os, in-game adjustments, BLOBs, SLOB, and especially the defense.
I would put myself in this camp - I want to give Brad another year to right the ship with those changes.
I also like the general idea that @LvilleILL1 has indicated we might be focusing more on this offseason: trying to recruit some athletes/dogs/warriors with size, and at least enough shooting to keep defenses honest. I don't want to go all-in chasing shooting at the expense of almost everything else again. (I do also still think that if we are somehow able to land a legit star it would really up the odds that we are able to cover for some of our issues, though. I'd be aiming for a top-heavy team in terms of talent if it was up to me.)
Where did u ever say they were All Americans as freshmen? Seriously? Our best teams were when they were All Americans and we were a 1 seed yet didn't advance. TSJ played to that standard but it had 0 to do with his play as to why he wasn't. 18 and 19 years get better with experience. All three of those players did and so ...thats my point dawg
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Indeed they are. Mirrors are helpful, if looked into. Our coach should give that a shot.
I think he can
My fear with Brad, isn’t whether the fans want him back or gone, but how many donors have a bad taste in their mouths after watching baffling lineups, poor substitutions, and the lack of in-game adjustments. If he can amends with them and convince that he can keep the program near the top of the conference, then I’m Team Brad. As much as I’ve criticized Brad, I’ll always root for the team, and watch every game possible, regardless of who’s coach. You can criticize a coach, but still hope they succeed. It’s not like we’re booing Illinois off the court like the Indiana fans did when we played them. We’re not that toxic of a fanbase. And Brad has thicker skin than what message boards say about him.
I think Matt Painter is not the guy we want to listen to. He's a very good coach. But not a guy whose off-the-cuff thoughts in a post-game press conference will impact Josh Whitman's plans.
Matt's in a (brief, but painful) tailspin at the moment. Don't kid yourself: that fact strongly colors the thoughts he expressed in that press session.
I agree with every point you made, including the ones I deleted (for brevity) from the above.
But for context, and not criticism, I want to point out that:
Brad is 61 years old.
He has been coaching, at the college level, for 38 years.
So not only is he not at the intern learning stage, he is worryingly more likely at risk of being in the set-in-his-ways stage.
But for context, and not criticism, I want to point out that:
Brad is 61 years old.
He has been coaching, at the college level, for 38 years.
So not only is he not at the intern learning stage, he is worryingly more likely at risk of being in the set-in-his-ways stage.
Illini2010-11
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Sadly, there are two more home games. If we got the results like the last 3 games on Tuesday night (or even the last home game vs Purdue), there is likely a contigent of fans that will start booing.
Great points. Key for me for young team is maximizing talent and improving team from start to finish of seasons. This has been shockingly bad year for that.
Bu has had success in past in uptrending through past seasons. I do believe gutting our coaching staff during off season didn't help in our ability to keep player and team development on an uptrend this year.
I think Wisky got lucky this year. Look at what they did not retain from last year teams
AJ Chucky and Connor Essegian
They gain Tonje who was not a top regraded transfer. Boswell was ranked higher
Yes there was a core left from last season but they lost their 3 best players to me that is not a recipe for success
BU constructed a roster that worked up to mid January. I do think if Ty and Goode were playing for us we could have retain some of our culture but I understand why they are not
Our roster was a concern on May 1 this past year. Many people were quietly concerned.
Until KJ, Tomi and Will were scooped up, in June (read: very late), we were in huge trouble.
And where are we now? Not huge trouble, having added those three really talented players. But we're solidly mediocre.
I have no idea how Greg Gard zeroed in on John Tonje, but for now, I am going to have to admit that Gard (once again) can get the job done.
Until KJ, Tomi and Will were scooped up, in June (read: very late), we were in huge trouble.
And where are we now? Not huge trouble, having added those three really talented players. But we're solidly mediocre.
I have no idea how Greg Gard zeroed in on John Tonje, but for now, I am going to have to admit that Gard (once again) can get the job done.
Police reports are not convictions. I assume you think TSJ should have not played another game at Illinois after the police report came out.
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
It has not been reported. It’s been said by one person then processed repeatedly through the echo chamber of this message board.@Illini_1105 - I agree with you that BU’s our coach through the end of the season and next season whether we make the NCAAT or not. Brad could be here next year and for years to come.
Ty
Based on his previous posts, I think what Indy is saying is that there are some significant changes that Josh will require of BU’s staff and that things might come to a crossroads. Brad might choose to leave. It’s also been reported that BU’s agent is actively reaching out to express interest in other head coaching positions and earlier in the season than he usually does, specifically for the Texas job which Brad apparently wanted 3 years ago when it last opened.
There’s a lot of things in the air but we’ll come out in a better spot regardless of BU staying or leaving thanks to Josh.
I’m not saying it’s not true. I’m merely saying it hasn’t been verified at the level this board is assuming it has.
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Are you suggesting Ayo or TJ would not have been All-Americans for any other coach? I don’t know if I agree with that.
Brad is paid to win every year, if he chose to load this team up with freshman he has to be accountable for that. Everyone knows, with the portal and NIL, that a lot of players are not hanging around for development purposes and hoping they will get their chance.
Brad is paid to win every year, if he chose to load this team up with freshman he has to be accountable for that. Everyone knows, with the portal and NIL, that a lot of players are not hanging around for development purposes and hoping they will get their chance.
Similar low level crap like tweeting at players with abusive nonsense. Those fans can leave the base.
Noblesville Illini
- Nappanee, IN
Prideful people are blind to their personality traits. He’s already broken KJ, but doesn’t see it. That’s just the one we know about. And you wonder why few people enjoy playing for the guy? Would you want your son playing for him? No way I would.
This is where I'm at...the collapse of this team isn't just on Brad....yes he's the one ultimately the blame must fall upon...but the rest of the staff as well as the players themselves need to be held accountable....coaches can't make wide open 3's, nor can they make good passes or good in game decisions for the players. Don't see things improving until changes are made....and those changes will likely not occur until the season comes to an end
Painter has been at his alma mater for 19 seasons and just led them to the national title game a year ago as well as five S16's in the last seven tournaments. You really think he's worried about job security because of a four game losing streak?
He's 61 years old. I'm not sure how long it takes one to figure things out in coaching, but if he hasn't yet, I don't think he has much time left.
Almost like a lifelong politician that never accomplished anything but asking their voters for one more term.
Almost like a lifelong politician that never accomplished anything but asking their voters for one more term.
sacraig
- The desert
Techbically, it's the expected value of points from three points shots versus two points shots. Probability of making the shot times number of shots.
You only need to make 33% of your threes to be the same as making 50% of your twos.
Of course, we aren't hitting threes even at 33%. But, to be fair, we also aren't making twos at 50% either.
The bottom line is that we just stink right now.
of course coaches are going to support other coaches, but these coaches make a crap ton of money. These programs are spending a crap ton of money. And guess what folks, when you let other people pay your employees, you have invited outside interests to have a large influence on your program. If the big money people say get rid of the coach or my donations end, which I guarantee happened with Woodson, then what are you going to do?
Different jobs have different expectations. Hubert Davis has a good chance of getting fired and in his first 3 full seasons he made a title game and a Sweet 16. But at UNC they're not going to stand for 2 down years in 4. Woodson is currently 38-38 in conference in 4 seasons, and it looks like a decent chance he's 40-40 at the end of the year. Pile that on top of 1 NCAA tournament win, 0 conference titles or tournament titles. People aren't going to pay what I'm sure they paid for their roster to end up 9th in conference.
Hell we laugh at Woodson and say I hope they sign him forever. When opposing fans are talking like that, it's probably a pretty good sign that a coach should be fired.
Different jobs have different expectations. Hubert Davis has a good chance of getting fired and in his first 3 full seasons he made a title game and a Sweet 16. But at UNC they're not going to stand for 2 down years in 4. Woodson is currently 38-38 in conference in 4 seasons, and it looks like a decent chance he's 40-40 at the end of the year. Pile that on top of 1 NCAA tournament win, 0 conference titles or tournament titles. People aren't going to pay what I'm sure they paid for their roster to end up 9th in conference.
Hell we laugh at Woodson and say I hope they sign him forever. When opposing fans are talking like that, it's probably a pretty good sign that a coach should be fired.
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