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I'm throwing up in my mouth that I'm defending Duke/ Punchface Scheyer but come on you gotta give him credit. Continuing comparable success after a legend is close to impossible (Kentucky/UNC and soon to be Kansas. Hell any program would be OVER THE MOON to have their next coach have the success has Scheyer has). Yes he has top 3 resources but you still need to allocate those properly/build a roster/coach that roster to success and he has done that despite this being his first head coaching gig. As much as I hate to say that is impressive. F**K DUKE AND SCHEYER THOUGH!!!
To throw a little bit of cold water on it, his tenure coincides with the ACC completely falling apart and becoming a shell of it's former self. UNC is the only program even coming close to matching them in NIL resources.

And yes, they did make the final four last year (and have a good shot to do it again this year), but they were 1 seeds (partly due to beating up on a bad ACC), so that's just playing to seeding expectations. And they're teams carried by number 1 overall picks that were known to be that before showing up, that covers up a lot of coaching faults (that he may or may not have).

So definitely an impressive tenure, but not exceptional or anything.
 
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A different way to look at that is Scheyer totally changed how Duke operates, which shows a willingness to be flexible and adapt to different situations. Feels like that would translate well to the NBA.
While what he has done is no where close to what Stevens did, I'd say the managing Dukes resources/NBA talent/personalities in the NIL age would in theory be better preparation for an NBA job. Stevens is just a unicorn but not surprised a dumpster fire org like the Bulls would be interested in a local boy. I certainly wouldn't be excited but have resigned myself that nothing positive can happen until Jerry dies so why not give him a shot. Worse comes to worse we stay a dumpster fire and Duke is forced to try to catch lighting in a bottle twice and also churns the carrousel that potentially weakens other programs we're competing with.
 
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I'm throwing up in my mouth that I'm defending Duke/ Punchface Scheyer but come on you gotta give him credit. Continuing comparable success after a legend is close to impossible (Kentucky/UNC and soon to be Kansas. Hell any program would be OVER THE MOON to have their next coach have the success has Scheyer has). Yes he has top 3 resources but you still need to allocate those properly/build a roster/coach that roster to success and he has done that despite this being his first head coaching gig. As much as I hate to say that is impressive. F**K DUKE AND SCHEYER THOUGH!!!
Yeah. He didn’t trash the Bentley. He had it serviced routinely. He even kept it filled up with gas. He even changed a couple fuses himself. But it was handed to him by his rich daddy. 😂

* I’m just kidding…you make some good points. It’s def. not nuttin’…what he has accomplished. I know this is outside the intentionality of your post…but yeah compared to what Stevens did…for example-not that impressive.
 
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that would be yet another blunder by the bulls organization. coaching isn't the problem, they need better players
Correct. Now, I don't know if the plan here is to hire Scheyer as a 38 year old with no NBA experience as the HC/GM, an impossible role no one has held in the league in years, or as just the head coach under the Karnisovas/Eversley regime, the worst front office in the league by a country mile with no credibility, no assets, and on the verge of being fired themselves.

Either way it's very different than Brad Stevens coming to be the coach of a team on a clear retooling mission loaded with assets under a strong and successful GM in Danny Ainge.

Plus that was what Stevens pursued instead of taking the kind of elite college job Scheyer already has and has proven he's good at.

Seriously, Jon, don't do it.
 
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First as an assistant and then as a head coach Scheyer completely changed Duke's program into the apex predator for one-and-done HS recruits, which was never previously Coach K's philosophy in a way that had their talent level on the decline.

That doesn't really translate to NBA coaching at all, but I do think Scheyer is a transformational figure in Duke's history, not just the guy that happened to win the job to succeed Coach K.

But then that makes it even weirder that he'd want to leave. I bet he stays.
This post is blasphemy. That was absolutely Coach K's philosophy and Scheyer has done a great job continuing it.
 
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I prefer fast risers. Indiana missed with DeVries. I dont think May, Lloyd, Oats level coaches are moving. Expectations are too high at UNC.

Either would do well for Kansas. McCollum Iowa, Schertz St Louis
 
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First as an assistant and then as a head coach Scheyer completely changed Duke's program into the apex predator for one-and-done HS recruits, which was never previously Coach K's philosophy in a way that had their talent level on the decline.

That doesn't really translate to NBA coaching at all, but I do think Scheyer is a transformational figure in Duke's history, not just the guy that happened to win the job to succeed Coach K.

But then that makes it even weirder that he'd want to leave. I bet he stays.
Kyrie and Austin Rivers were one and done recruits before Scheyer ever got there. Jabari Parker committed before Scheyer got there. Okafor and Tyus Jones signed before Scheyer was a full assistant.

Coach K was trending that way before Scheyer was on board.

I'm looking forward to you ignoring this or doubling down on being wrong.
 
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This post is blasphemy. That was absolutely Coach K's philosophy and Scheyer has done a great job continuing it.
I believe Kyrie Irving was the first one-and-done K ever had and as of Scheyer's hiring there had only been a couple. Even with recruiting services colossally, laughably overrating Duke's signees every year, they were no longer competing for the tippy-top caliber of player most of the time in the late aughts early 2010's as the Calipari's of the world reinvented the recruiting game.

As late as 2013 that was a program solely built around four-year guys. Quinn Cook, Seth Curry, Rasheed Suliamon, Ryan Kelly and Mason Plumlee was their starting five that year, and it was a place where someone like Austin Rivers didn't really fit.

That all changed when Scheyer came back. He changed the philosophy into a team that would be a platform to highlight the Jayson Tatum's and Zion Williamson's.
 
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I know Self doesn't want to go out losing in the second round of the NCAAs, but man I don't want to see him or anyone else die from a cardiovascular event on the sidelines
 
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As some counterpoints-It’s basically his hometown NBA team, perhaps what he thought college basketball would be has become something totally different (which it has), and he wants to eventually be a NBA GM instead of a college basketball coach for the next 20-25 years of his career.

You raise some good points, but I don’t think it’s wildly “out there” that this would be something that interests him. Now working for the Reinsdorfs may counterbalance that.
I'm underwhelmed by Scheyer as a fit in the NBA. He's thrived by having the most NIL and the most talent, he's not getting that with the Bulls.

By all accounts Reinsdorf is as bad as any meddling college booster while under-investing in the teams. Maybe that dysfunction is an opportunity for a young, smart person to move to a leadership role in...but Scheyer really hasn't built anything himself to show he'd succeed there.
 
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I believe Kyrie Irving was the first one-and-done K ever had and as of Scheyer's hiring there had only been a couple. Even with recruiting services colossally, laughably overrating Duke's signees every year, they were no longer competing for the tippy-top caliber of player most of the time in the late aughts early 2010's as the Calipari's of the world reinvented the recruiting game.

As late as 2013 that was a program solely built around four-year guys. Quinn Cook, Seth Curry, Rasheed Suliamon, Ryan Kelly and Mason Plumlee was their starting five that year, and it was a place where someone like Austin Rivers didn't really fit.

That all changed when Scheyer came back. He changed the philosophy into a team that would be a platform to highlight the Jayson Tatum's and Zion Williamson's.
There's the double down. He had 5 one and dones before Scheyer had anything to do with recruiting. Okafor, Jones, Parker, Rivers, Irving.

Duke had Brandon Ingram in 2015 and Tatum in 2016, which would have been Scheyer's first two years on the staff as an assistant. It was the exact same rate of one in dones as Coach K had been recruiting in the years immediately preceding Scheyer joining the staff.
 
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