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Take a look at the video I embedded in the previous post. It's the immortal Bob Ufer, Michigan's radio man, doing the play-by-play leading up to led to Woody destroying those yard markers. Best explanation I've ever heard of the head space these coaches inhabit, and I'd never seen that video until a minute ago:

That Time Woody Hayes Shredded Michigan Stadium’s Down Markers in 1971

0:45 in the video:

The media cheering on bad behavior by coaches isn't new... For instance, Hayes' violent tantrums dated 20+ years back by the time he punched an opposing player. It wasn't winning that made him a jerk.

Hayes is a fossil that benefitted from having a talent advantage in 99% of his games and absolute control of his free labor. Being a jerk while doing it was just who he was.
 
#302      
The media cheering on bad behavior by coaches isn't new... For instance, Hayes' violent tantrums dated 20+ years back by the time he punched an opposing player. It wasn't winning that made him a jerk.

Hayes is a fossil that benefitted from having a talent advantage in 99% of his games and absolute control of his free labor. Being a jerk while doing it was just who he was.
Human nature doesn't change, only the environment that channels it does. Prominent imperfection is the hallmark of great figures, of which Hayes is indisputably one.
 
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#303      
Human nature doesn't change, only the environment that channels it does.

Good luck being judged 55 years hence by your descendants.
That's silly. "Don't hit people around you" was a thing in the 70s too. He was fired for it, in the 70s.

The idea that it was 'just the times' ignores that championship coaches like Devaney, Royal, McCay, Devine, & Parseghian all won without abusing reporters, refs and players. 55 years later they look just fine.
 
#304      
Take a look at the video I embedded in the previous post. It's the immortal Bob Ufer, Michigan's radio man, doing the play-by-play leading up to led to Woody destroying those yard markers. Best explanation I've ever heard of the head space these coaches inhabit, and I'd never seen that video until a minute ago:

That Time Woody Hayes Shredded Michigan Stadium’s Down Markers in 1971

0:45 in the video:

Fun fact that the referee Hayes was screaming at and who signaled the unsportsmanlike conduct, was Jerry Markbreit. He went on to be the most-recognized NFL referee of the 1980s and 90s.
 
#305      
Human nature doesn't change, only the environment that channels it does. Prominent imperfection is the hallmark of great figures, of which Hayes is indisputably one.
That's silly. "Don't hit people around you" was a thing in the 70s too. He was fired for it, in the 70s.

The idea that it was 'just the times' ignores that championship coaches like Devaney, Royal, McCay, Devine, & Parseghian all won without abusing reporters, refs and players. 55 years later they look just fine.
I don't disagree and didn't claim otherwise. But it's entirely irrelevant to my point.
 
#306      
I don't disagree and didn't claim otherwise. But it's entirely irrelevant to my point.
Come on man, you can see from what I quoted vs what you just shared, you pretty heavily edited what you said after and are doing the gaslighting.

Your new point, claiming a football coach that couldn't help from assaulting people is "prominent imperfection", is just putting lipstick on a pig.
 
#307      
That's silly. "Don't hit people around you" was a thing in the 70s too. He was fired for it, in the 70s.

The idea that it was 'just the times' ignores that championship coaches like Devaney, Royal, McCay, Devine, & Parseghian all won without abusing reporters, refs and players. 55 years later they look just fine.
Don't kid yourself, none of the coaches you mention were as demonstrative as Woody on the sidelines. But they were definitely as defiant with referees, just not as boisterous. As for Woody being abusive of his players or assistants, that's not way most of his former players tell the story. You might want to check out what Brian Baschnagel had to say about Hayes when he was with the Bears. The press ? Well there are a number of NCAA coaches that are dismissive of the press. Abusive? Bobby Knight appears to be the only coach that I can remember being directly abusive to reporters.
 
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Don't kid yourself, none of the coaches you mention were as demonstrative as Woody on the sidelines. But they were definitely as defiant with referees, just not as boisterous. As for Woody being abusive of his players or assistants, that's not way most of his former players tell the story. You might want to check out what Brian Baschnagel had to say about Hayes when he was with the Bears. The press ? Well there are a number of NCAA coaches that are dismissive of the press. Abusive? Bobby Knight appears to be the only coach that I can remember being directly abusive to reporters.
Hayes also punched his own offensive lineman in the incident that got him fired. He also slapped and punched his players. "if he didn't punch you he didn't want to make you better" ages super well...

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As to the press, this is normal...
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Hayes also punched his own offensive lineman in the incident that got him fired. He also slapped and punched his players. "if he didn't punch you he didn't want to make you better" ages super well...

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As to the press, this is normal...
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Hear you - but I think you were referring to sports reporters not camera men (side line aspects) and I stand by what his former players remember him as. What was acceptable in the '60s and '70s is not acceptable today. But I don't see any of his former players calling him abusive.
 
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Hear you - but I think you were referring to sports reporters not camera men (side line aspects) and I stand by what his former players remember him as. What was acceptable in the '60s and '70s is not acceptable today. But I don't see any of his former players calling him abusive.
How do you read "punched the brother of a journalist by mistake over a tough question" and "used to punch me in the stomach and slap me in the face" and not say that's abuse? Joe Paterno's players stand by him, should that player support really be the measuring stick?

History books are littered with things that were iffy at the time and can now comfortably be said were bad. Just because tOSU created a culture where punching student athletes was an acceptable trade for wins doesn't mean that he wasn't a bad guy and that we shouldn't look to celebrate folks that did it the right way instead.
 
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