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BZuppke

BZuppke
Plainfield
BZuppke
BashCtIllini said:
A salary cap would fundamentally change the way college sports has always worked and the blue bloods would fight it tooth and nail.

Blue Bloods get the name because they have been good forever. They're always good because they always get the best recruits. If the salary cap made that impossible to have vastly more talent than your opponents because you can't afford it, then it comes down to talent identification and coaching. Which would be great for the game, but takes away those inherent advantages schools with better reputations and facilities have.

Where my mind has always gone is certain teams won't be able to compete and they'll just slowly fade away. All of this conversation about a mega Big 10 and mega SEC with an expanded Big 12 being the 3rd conference backs up this thought. These are the schools that can stick around everyone else becomes an afterthought, and how long before the finances just don't work for those afterthought schools?

Then even within those mega conferences, I don't like our chances in the expanded Big 10, if we add schools like Notre Dame, Florida State, etc that won't get any easier. At what point does constantly being 16th or lower out of 24 in your conference just sap fan support to the point where you start asking what are we doing here?

It won't happen over night, but that is where my concern is with the direction of college sports.
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But even Saban recognizes the blue bloods separating themselves further is bad for college football. The non-blue bloods have to be able to compete or we might as well form our own college football separate from that dirty dozen. The NFL went to this regime because it was absolutely necessary to sustain things and the NFL blue bloods went along.
 
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MajorNathanMaxwellJanice said:
Reading this, can’t help but be reminded of one of my favorite scenes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail 😁.

Always makes me chuckle heartily. Especially if one’s ever worked with or had other firsthand experience with bureaucracy, especially of the local government variety
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“Old woman!”
“Man.”
“Man. Sorry.”
 
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BashCtIllini

BashCtIllini
BashCtIllini
BZuppke said:
But even Saban recognizes the blue bloods separating themselves further is bad for college football. The non-blue bloods have to be able to compete or we might as well form our own college football separate from that dirty dozen. The NFL went to this regime because it was absolutely necessary to sustain things and the NFL blue bloods went along.
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It's pretty easy to say that from the throne. But if something like a salary cap is implemented, who loses? It's not the teams that have been struggling, it's the teams that have been winning non-stop. And again when it gets down to it actually happening they're not just going to give up that advantage.

Plus it is a lot easier to allocate players in a 32 team professional league with smaller rosters than it is 133 D1 football schools with larger rosters. So do you have to shrink the foot print and remove all the mid and low majors? Where do you set that cap? Do you set it at a level that all P5 schools can meet? or do you set it higher so there is still some haves and have nots?

Because sorry to break it to you, but pretty much everyone behind the scenes want big schools to win. They don't want Coastal Carolina or Louisiana Monroe winning because they don't have the capacity to bring in even close to the same amount of money as a Michigan or an Alabama.

And of course over all of this, you are setting up a salary cap that is essentially how many donations someone can accept? And, doesn't that lead you right back to schools cheating? You'll get $100k above the board and $200k in a secret handshake.
 
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illinoistradition

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Illini in Italy

Illini in Italy
Illini in Italy
TheDrinkinLincoln said:
I respect your opinion, but I disagree because your arguments against are things that CFB already is.

A minor league that only has a few prospects that make it to the next level.

What coaches besides the very top guys who have already had a shot at the NFL actually stay around at one place for more than 5-6 years? Dabo? Smart? Everyone else is either looking to jump to a P2 Blue Blood or the NFL already. Coaches will likely get the same amount of time they are getting now with current NIL to make an impression 3-5 years. If you're not close to the level you're striving for by then alumni and admins will get frustrated (unless they don't really care) and move on to the guy who can take them to the promised land.

The tiers with relegation at least put schools on the same money threshold and rewards teams for doing well. You're telling me we wouldn't be going absolutely bonkers going 10-2 in Tier 2 and having a chance to move to tier 1 and have more money to offer players. It condenses the playing field and makes things at least more exciting than praying we can limp along in the new B1G and go 6-6. As for the magic 5th year laden season that gets a team promoted that's amazing and a great story.

The cats out of the bag, money is flowing, and CFB has always been a minor professional league this just tries to level the playing field and concentrate talent so we see the best product. People clamor for the amateurism of the NCAA, but it never existed it was just professional athletes getting trained in a secondary skill for free.
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I think what's missing from your position is the fact that the primary reason that college football and basketball are so popular with so many fans is because they are affiliated with the colleges themselves. Remove that tie in, and it's a subpar product as you mention with no viewers. and any entity that attempts to regulate whatever system that is installed, is simply going to sued into oblivion, much like the NCAA has.
 
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MajorNathanMaxwellJanice

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additional factors for consideration: Wednesday 2/7 is national signing day. Also, many schools use February 28 as the end of contract year for their assistant coaches.

Each potentially plays in to decision as to when an assistant, for various reasons, leaves current school; or, flip side, as to when head coach at new school desires to have his choice of replacement revealed.
 
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BZuppke

BZuppke
Plainfield
BZuppke
BashCtIllini said:
It's pretty easy to say that from the throne. But if something like a salary cap is implemented, who loses? It's not the teams that have been struggling, it's the teams that have been winning non-stop. And again when it gets down to it actually happening they're not just going to give up that advantage.

Plus it is a lot easier to allocate players in a 32 team professional league with smaller rosters than it is 133 D1 football schools with larger rosters. So do you have to shrink the foot print and remove all the mid and low majors? Where do you set that cap? Do you set it at a level that all P5 schools can meet? or do you set it higher so there is still some haves and have nots?

Because sorry to break it to you, but pretty much everyone behind the scenes want big schools to win. They don't want Coastal Carolina or Louisiana Monroe winning because they don't have the capacity to bring in even close to the same amount of money as a Michigan or an Alabama.

And of course over all of this, you are setting up a salary cap that is essentially how many donations someone can accept? And, doesn't that lead you right back to schools cheating? You'll get $100k above the board and $200k in a secret handshake.
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Well I don’t spend much time studying it but the idea that a league of 12-20 teams of blue bloods will work is absurd. Michigan and Alabama don’t have gaudy records without Indiana, Purdue, Mississippi state et al being a part of it. If we non blue bloods are going to be part of it, we have to have a chance to compete or we might as well have our own league. I don’t know the answer but with the all the money and no control, this whole thing will disintegrate.
 
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TheDrinkinLincoln

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SKane said:
I wonder how much longer the college fans will believe that there is any connection between the teams and their colleges when the rosters turn over every year (or during the year).
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As long as it is on a campus there will be fans from that campus. You'll still see the athletes at Kam's and not in most classes. Most people cheer for the team and not the players. Kids come and go the Illini are forever.
 
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Noblesville Illini

Noblesville Illini
Nappanee, IN
Noblesville Illini
MajorNathanMaxwellJanice said:
additional factors for consideration: Wednesday 2/7 is national signing day. Also, many schools use February 28 as the end of contract year for their assistant coaches.

Each potentially plays in to decision as to when an assistant, for various reasons, leaves current school; or, flip side, as to when head coach at new school desires to have his choice of replacement revealed.
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Don’t know if it matters but this is a leap year, Feb 29 might be the end for some this year
 
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AZILL

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TheDrinkinLincoln said:
As long as it is on a campus there will be fans from that campus. You'll still see the athletes at Kam's and not in most classes. Most people cheer for the team and not the players. Kids come and go the Illini are forever.
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Except for the fact that it is getting harder and harder to get Students to continue to be the fervent, crazy fans they've been in the past. Add on to that that the die-hard fans at most schools are aging out, and the younger fans aren't as strong in number, and therefore not at a replacement level. Social media, cell phones, streaming, yada yada yada...... is pulling the casual fan away at an increasing rate. How often do you see facility/venue renovations INCREASING seating? Nearly every one that I see is actually decreasing the number of seats???? I realize the per seat ticket price is increasing to cover and perhaps temporarily exceed those costs. But I believe there is an inflection point in the very near future where per seat price increases cease to maintain/increase revenue. I also think it's pretty obvious that any moves (NIL/Portal) that put more distance between the college students, and the college athlete/students, will eventually create a chasm of indifference that will not be able to be overcome. Just my 2 cents...
 
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Illiniguy74

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AZILL said:
Except for the fact that it is getting harder and harder to get Students to continue to be the fervent, crazy fans they've been in the past. Add on to that that the die-hard fans at most schools are aging out, and the younger fans aren't as strong in number, and therefore not at a replacement level. Social media, cell phones, streaming, yada yada yada...... is pulling the casual fan away at an increasing rate. How often do you see facility/venue renovations INCREASING seating? Nearly every one that I see is actually decreasing the number of seats???? I realize the per seat ticket price is increasing to cover and perhaps temporarily exceed those costs. But I believe there is an inflection point in the very near future where per seat price increases cease to maintain/increase revenue. I also think it's pretty obvious that any moves (NIL/Portal) that put more distance between the college students, and the college athlete/students, will eventually create a chasm of indifference that will not be able to be overcome. Just my 2 cents...
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One factor contributing to the decline in interest and attendance is that participation in youth sports is on the decline and has been on the decline for some time. One typically doesn't relate to, or support something he/she hasn't experienced.
 
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illini80

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Forgottonia
illini80
WeWillWhen said:
Over three weeks and no replacement for Buh announced. 🧐
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As time goes by I think it the reaction will be one of two things. Either it’s a “Oh yeah, that makes sense. It was worth the wait.” Or “We took that long to end up with coach X?. That’s concerning.”

I believe we will be fine in the end.
 
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Illini4Chief

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SKane said:
I wonder how much longer the college fans will believe that there is any connection between the teams and their colleges when the rosters turn over every year (or during the year).
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In an odd twist to the Portal Transfer schism.......St. Clouds starting 5 have used the portal to transfer to St. Millies.....with St. Millies starting five transferring to St. Cloud...SO.....the 2025 teams are in effect just changing jerseys.
 
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BZuppke

BZuppke
Plainfield
BZuppke
From Pitino:

"I think so many football coaches are getting out, so many basketball coaches are getting out, because of this culture," Pitino said. "It's tough to build a program. You've got to really innovate, get creative and understand these rules right now -- or lack of rules."
 
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Joel Goodson

Joel Goodson
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BZuppke said:
From Pitino:

"I think so many football coaches are getting out, so many basketball coaches are getting out, because of this culture," Pitino said. "It's tough to build a program. You've got to really innovate, get creative and understand these rules right now -- or lack of rules."
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yeah, right. because back in the day, everyone adhered to the rules. not to mention the rules were tilted against the players.
 
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lstewart53x3

lstewart53x3
Scottsdale, Arizona
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Overly hypey post, but it’s risky to have a coaching change in this new world

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Mike55

Mike55
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BZuppke said:
From Pitino:

"I think so many football coaches are getting out, so many basketball coaches are getting out, because of this culture," Pitino said. "It's tough to build a program. You've got to really innovate, get creative and understand these rules right now -- or lack of rules."
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Pitino wants the title and fame, but apparently He doesn’t want to get creative, innovate or take on something tough. I was taught that Leaders didn’t shy away from those things.