Coaching Carousel (Football)

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Fighter of the Nightman
lstewart53x3 said:
I mean, according to 247, we have the 64th ranked team in the talent composite, yet ended up at #28 in KFord.

That’s +36 spots, which is one of the greatest over achievements relative to talent by any team in the country.

So if we want to hold our coaches accountable for player development, it sounds like many of them deserve raises.

Illinois *football* went 18-7 over the past 2 years with one of the least talented rosters in the B1G and fans want to fire coaches like we went 7-18.
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Do you not want a different DC? It’s perfectly possible to be thankful but to want to improve on clear issues.
 
#453      
lstewart53x3
Fighter of the Nightman said:
Do you not want a different DC? It’s perfectly possible to be thankful but to want to improve on clear issues.
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My thoughts:

1. I, as a fan, have no impact on whether or not we’ll get a new DC. All I can do is root for and support the team and staff we have. If there’s a staff change, I’ll support the new staff members. If there’s not a staff change, I’ll continue to support the current staff.

2. Of course, a team can always improve. 18-7 isn’t 25-0. There’s room for improvement. But for much of the fan base to focus *more* on the 7 losses and whether or not there are staff changes, than the fact that Illinois *football* is 18-7 in the first place is odd to me.

3. Staff changes don’t always guarantee better results. Look at Penn St. When Tom Allen left, they brought in Jim Knowles who was thought to be one of the best defensive coordinators in the country. And Penn St’s defense dropped from #7 in the country to #46 in the country according to ESPN’s FPI.

4. Players have a huge impact on results. Look at Ryan Walters. Elite defense at Illinois. Goes to Purdue, granted in an elevated role, and had terrible defenses. Even Washington this year with Walters at the helm had just the 31st ranked defense in FPI (Illinois had the 46th). And Washington had (18) 4 stars on the team. Illinois had just 7.

5. Which leads me to the talent composite. 247 has Illinois with the 64th ranked team talent, yet we’re in the 40s almost everywhere for defense. So our defense wasn’t *that* bad compared to the talent on the team.

6. We’re now starting to attract better talent (the 21st ranked recruiting class) which leads me to believe results on the field will improve (especially if we bring in a strong transfer class and it sounds like we’re very well poised to do just that).

7. There is something to be said about staff continuity and program stability.

8. Coaches, just like players, can and do improve. If Bret feels like the program is healthier with AH as the DC, I would trust his judgment on that due to the impact he’s already had on the program. And I would assume/hope there would be tweaks to the defensive philosophy even if staff changes aren’t made.
 
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IlliniwekKDR
illinoistradition said:
I’d be pretty underwhelmed if I was a ISU fan. He walked into a tailor-made situation at SDSU, was there two years, and then went to WSU for one meh year.
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6-6 at what is now a mid major school. Hung tight with Ole Miss and Virginia it looks like. Got absolutely smoked by North Texas and Washington. To be fair though, I suppose almost anyone they could reasonably hire was going to be a downgrade
 
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BrownTown
lstewart53x3 said:
My thoughts:

1. I, as a fan, have no impact on whether or not we’ll get a new DC. All I can do is root for and support the team and staff we have. If there’s a staff change, I’ll support the new staff members. If there’s not a staff change, I’ll continue to support the current staff.

2. Of course, a team can always improve. 18-7 isn’t 25-0. There’s room for improvement. But for much of the fan base to focus *more* on the 7 losses and whether or not there are staff changes, than the fact that Illinois *football* is 18-7 in the first place is odd to me.

3. Staff changes don’t always guarantee better results. Look at Penn St. When Tom Allen left, they brought in Jim Knowles who was thought to be one of the best defensive coordinators in the country. And Penn St’s defense dropped from #7 in the country to #46 in the country according to ESPN’s FPI.

4. Players have a huge impact on results. Look at Ryan Walters. Elite defense at Illinois. Goes to Purdue, granted in an elevated role, and had terrible defenses. Even Washington this year with Walters at the helm had just the 31st ranked defense in FPI (Illinois had the 46th). And Washington had (18) 4 stars on the team. Illinois had just 7.

5. Which leads me to the talent composite. 247 has Illinois with the 64th ranked team talent, yet we’re in the 40s almost everywhere for defense. So our defense wasn’t *that* bad compared to the talent on the team.

6. We’re now starting to attract better talent (the 21st ranked recruiting class) which leads me to believe results on the field will improve (especially if we bring in a strong transfer class and it sounds like we’re very well poised to do just that).

7. There is something to be said about staff continuity and program stability.

8. Coaches, just like players, can and do improve. If Bret feels like the program is healthier with AH as the DC, I would trust his judgment on that due to the impact he’s already had on the program. And I would assume/hope there would be tweaks to the defensive philosophy even if staff changes aren’t made.
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Which Coordinator or Staff Member would immediately get an equal or better position in the P4 if they left?

Henry?

Miller?

Discher?

Parker? Could go either way.... production at DB has been flat out bad this year. But few people have produced a Quinyon Mitchell from Toledo ...Think he at least has the right mentality and personality to bring in top DBs.

Stepp? In a heartbeat.

Art? Rising star

Lunney? Wouldn't surprise me a bit if his agent wasn't fielding calls about becoming a OC somewhere else. If not HC at G5
 
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ptgrd23
Talent makes coaches look smarter. The talent at Ohio State is ridiculous. We had two tds taken away by nfl level plays.

Bret has good strategy for continued improvement. Got lucky w Chase, Sidney, Devin, Quan, Johnny. These guys all are in nfl. Keep improving recruiting and working the portal. Pre Brett Illinois never was able to recruit over people. We do it every year now. I like our chances.
 
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phats22
TentakilRex said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1997111247221797258
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would have guessed Texas....(this is a deep cut)
 
#459      
mhuml32
Toledo being open has me nervous about Corey Parker. Makes too much sense for him there.
 
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PasadenaIllini
Quick question for those who know about these things. Why hasn't ISU's Brock Speck attracted more interest from power 5 programs? He's won consistently and has led his teams to over-performance over a long period of time.
 
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Huggies5
Pikeillinifan said:
The AD and football staff are doing everything they can to continue building and improving, same for our wealthy alumni. We're in the upper echelon, and it's not going to get easier. The B1G and SEC programs are not going to roll over; it will only get more and more competitive. I think we're in a great spot.
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One improvement would be a new defensive coordinator, but I'm not sure that's going to happen.
 
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Mr. Tibbs
PasadenaIllini said:
Why not take a job that pays around 2-3 million a year? Then suppose Speck gets fired. He still winds up far ahead of where he is now financially.
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I’m guessing two things
- he’s happy at ISU
- he hasn’t had any offers for $2 million per
 
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BrownTown
Alabama fans may run DeBoer north of the Mason Dixon line if they continue this performance into a full blowout and playoff entry becomes murky.

I still hold hope for Mack. Even if it's not this year
 
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lstewart53x3
BrownTown said:
He's been absolutely awful.

Oh...

By the way, his OL has allowed LESS sacks per year than Bart Miller's with the only exception being 2022.... The year we used the '06 Bears blueprint and handed it to Chase Brown and played stellar defense.
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I don’t have a PFF subscription, so I don’t know exactly where the numbers ended up. But at one point this season, Luke was responsible for over 20% of his sacks, the highest of any QB in the B1G.

QB shares partial responsibility for sack rate. As does play calling (Lunney had a tendency to draw up slow developing plays).

Nebraska also has quite a bit more talent on their line. For example, this year, they had (5) 4 star upperclassmen the offensive line. Illinois had 0.
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BrownTown
lstewart53x3 said:
I don’t have a PFF subscription, so I don’t know exactly where the numbers ended up. But at one point this season, Luke was responsible for over 20% of his sacks, the highest of any QB in the B1G.

QB shares partial responsibility for sack rate. As does play calling (Lunney had a tendency to draw up slow developing plays).

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I don't disagree with any of this...obviously Feagin was responsible for multiple as well..

Was Dylan Raoila responsible for any sacks ???
That's not just a Luke Altmeyer thing...
 
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