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Correct, hence this statement. Candle would be a bad hire for Indiana. Indiana is a Big Ten job, so it's still an awesome job, but being successful there is extremely hard. This is a hot take but I would rather hire Chuck Martin than Candle if I'm Indiana. Martin has shown to be successful at a school with less (MAC) resources and can win with less talent. Candle hasn't proven that at Toledo.
The EMU coach would be their man then. It had been an absolute dumpster fire prior to him getting there - he's now in line for his 6th bowl game in 8 years there
 
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Only one way to get experience. We had lack of experience in the secondary and lack of talent/depth in the secondary. No doubt lacking experience coaching and playing at that position. Best hope is some of that will carry over into next season and grow from it.
If you look at what they have recruited in the secondary you can see why there is no depth. Need to bring in an experienced coach that can recruit and also develop the players. Can’t run back with everything the same next year.
 
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They can’t go into next season with both at the same position again. If you look at what they have recruited in the secondary you can see why there is no depth. Need to bring in an experienced coach that can recruit and also develop the players.
To the bold....or bunch of it went to the NFL :ROFLMAO:

Never said they would go into next season with both coaches

Henry is not moving.......
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
Who you recommend? Heard the coffee guy has shaky hands
thats Brets job to determine
all I know is someone in the coaches room was doing less than expected - its not all the players fault only
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
The EMU coach would be their man then. It had been an absolute dumpster fire prior to him getting there - he's now in line for his 6th bowl game in 8 years there

Creighton, Leipold, Martin, Mark Stoops, are all excellent examples of coaches that are not given enough respect for winning 6-7-8 games at places that didn't do it without them.
 
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Mark Stoops name has come up for the last few seasons

Is he interested in exploring a new job or is he one of the hot names where the name comes up?

He has turned UK around but they are only going so far in the SEC.
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Mark Stoops name has come up for the last few seasons

Is he interested in exploring a new job or is he one of the hot names where the name comes up?

He has turned UK around but they are only going so far in the SEC.
(1) he isn’t getting the support from administration that he wants. Part of that frustration is because the fan base is basketball focused.

but….

(2) he is paid incredibly well, making it that much more difficult for another program to pry him away.
 
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(1) he isn’t getting the support from administration that he wants. Part of that frustration is because the fan base is basketball focused.

but….

(2) he is paid incredibly well, making it that much more difficult for another program to pry him away.
Yeah SEC, paycheck and fanbase loves you

Just hoping he wouldn't step over to his Alma mater down the road when Ferentz hangs it up
 
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Middle Tennessee State has fired head coach Rick Stockstill after 18 seasons in charge. Had been the 4th longest tenured coach in FBS behind only Ferentz, Whittingham, and Gundy.
 
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BillyBob1

Champaign
I always shake my head when people posit the question - just how did Beckman impress anyone in his interviews. His initial press conference was unsettling to say the least.

As always I’ll back these decisions with the benefit of the doubt but he was all out goofy from day one.

I also remember Zook mispronouncing ‘Illinois’. Made me wince.
Look who interviewed Beckman and that will give you an idea!
 
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Correct, hence this statement. Candle would be a bad hire for Indiana. Indiana is a Big Ten job, so it's still an awesome job, but being successful there is extremely hard. This is a hot take but I would rather hire Chuck Martin than Candle if I'm Indiana. Martin has shown to be successful at a school with less (MAC) resources and can win with less talent. Candle hasn't proven that at Toledo.
Miami had the best recruiting class in the MAC this season. UT wins it most years, but both are always near the top. Miami has way more money than UT, just a weaker consistent history. Toledo has even bowl eligible every year since 2009. Candle has been on staff during all of that time period.
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Miami had the best recruiting class in the MAC this season. UT wins it most years, but both are always near the top. Miami has way more money than UT, just a weaker consistent history. Toledo has even bowl eligible every year since 2009. Candle has been on staff during all of that time period.

Let's not act like 247 or Rivals is putting in effort to rank non-P5 guys. They already have significant warts for P5 rankings.

Toledo is spending about 13% more year-to-year than other MAC programs, including Miami. If Candle is being outrecruited with a significant financial benefit, that's an even bigger concern.

Toledo's record in previous five years before hiring Candle as HC: 44-20
Miami's record in previous five years before hiring Martin as HC: 19-43
 
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Let's not act like 247 or Rivals is putting in effort to rank non-P5 guys. They already have significant warts for P5 rankings.

Toledo is spending about 13% more year-to-year than other MAC programs, including Miami. If Candle is being outrecruited with a significant financial benefit, that's an even bigger concern.

Toledo's record in previous five years before hiring Candle as HC: 44-20
Miami's record in previous five years before hiring Martin as HC: 19-43
Toledos enrollment is down and has far less subsidies and donations than Miami.

Candle was the OC the 4 seasons prior to HC so is part of the reason for the previous regimes record and recruiting.

Toledo hasn't experienced hardly any luls as a program in general as they play in the nicest/ one of the nicest venues and good luck with head coaches like Saban and Pinkel. In the day in age of G5 turnover Candle has done a fantastic job. Campbel, and Beckman never won the league. Candle going for the first back to back titles since 11 and 12 (NIU), first 9-0 MAC record since WMUs cotton Bowl in 2016, first Toledo win streak of 9+ since 1969-1971 35-0 streak, and putting NFL players in the league at a high level. Campbel didn't have any drafted I don't think... (Kareem Hunt and others did as Candle took over but were MC guys). Candles on double digits draftees with 2 like All Americans this season... he's leveled up the program.
 
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Toledos enrollment is down and has far less subsidies and donations than Miami.

Candle was the OC the 4 seasons prior to HC so is part of the reason for the previous regimes record and recruiting.

Toledo hasn't experienced hardly any luls as a program in general as they play in the nicest/ one of the nicest venues and good luck with head coaches like Saban and Pinkel. In the day in age of G5 turnover Candle has done a fantastic job. Campbel, and Beckman never won the league. Candle going for the first back to back titles since 11 and 12 (NIU), first 9-0 MAC record since WMUs cotton Bowl in 2016, first Toledo win streak of 9+ since 1969-1971 35-0 streak, and putting NFL players in the league at a high level. Campbel didn't have any drafted I don't think... (Kareem Hunt and others did as Candle took over but were MC guys). Candles on double digits draftees with 2 like All Americans this season... he's leveled up the program.
No question Candle has done a good job. I think what mhum is saying is that Toledo has some inherent advantages that other MAC schools don't, which means you can't necessarily compare his performance with Martin's or Creighton's on an apples to apples basis.

I'm kind of shocked Creighton hasn't gotten more of a look from P5 schools. Is there a worse job in the MAC - Kent State maybe? Given what he was handed, he has done a remarkable job at EMU
 
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sacraig

The desert
Toledos enrollment is down and has far less subsidies and donations than Miami.

Candle was the OC the 4 seasons prior to HC so is part of the reason for the previous regimes record and recruiting.

Toledo hasn't experienced hardly any luls as a program in general as they play in the nicest/ one of the nicest venues and good luck with head coaches like Saban and Pinkel. In the day in age of G5 turnover Candle has done a fantastic job. Campbel, and Beckman never won the league. Candle going for the first back to back titles since 11 and 12 (NIU), first 9-0 MAC record since WMUs cotton Bowl in 2016, first Toledo win streak of 9+ since 1969-1971 35-0 streak, and putting NFL players in the league at a high level. Campbel didn't have any drafted I don't think... (Kareem Hunt and others did as Candle took over but were MC guys). Candles on double digits draftees with 2 like All Americans this season... he's leveled up the program.
This is the first mention of Beckman on these boards with anything other than utter contempt in a long time.
 
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No question Candle has done a good job. I think what mhum is saying is that Toledo has some inherent advantages that other MAC schools don't, which means you can't necessarily compare his performance with Martin's or Creighton's on an apples to apples basis.

I'm kind of shocked Creighton hasn't gotten more of a look from P5 schools. Is there a worse job in the MAC - Kent State maybe? Given what he was handed, he has done a remarkable job at EMU
If the advantages aren't money, then idk what. We have fans which bring in more revenue from attendance accross the sports I guess. WBB is always top 25 in the country in attendance, but it still doesn't even make up for the wbb travel expenditures. There are 3 coaches in the MAC even over. 500 for their career so 20some games above is more than just resources. He's fixed the defense and kept players away from the P5 with low 5 Figure NIL and promise to develop guys into next level players. Finn and Boone would be the 3rd best B1G QB/Rb duo. Maybe 2nd. Creighton has 2 wins over Candle, Martin none. Both have P5 wins. Toledo hasn't had many chances.
 
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If the advantages aren't money, then idk what. We have fans which bring in more revenue from attendance accross the sports I guess. WBB is always top 25 in the country in attendance, but it still doesn't even make up for the wbb travel expenditures. There are 3 coaches in the MAC even over. 500 for their career so 20some games above is more than just resources. He's fixed the defense and kept players away from the P5 with low 5 Figure NIL and promise to develop guys into next level players. Finn and Boone would be the 3rd best B1G QB/Rb duo. Maybe 2nd. Creighton has 2 wins over Candle, Martin none. Both have P5 wins. Toledo hasn't had many chances.
There is a lot to be said for tradition and consistency of success. If Marc Andreessen decided to fund UI football at the level UM is funded, it still wouldn't put us on an even playing field - UM's tradition would continue to carry a lot of weight in recruiting, etc
 
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