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Michigan going from Harbaugh to Lewis seems very unlikely. If they are in the carousel I would expect a much bigger fish. (Matt Campbell, Fickell, etc.). Getting Lewis would probably be highly criticized.
Agree. Based on the entirety of the post, I was taking ILL_INI's comments as fun and jokey, but my sarcasm meter may be off. 0% chance Michigan would go after Lewis. I think the 2 names you mention make the most sense for them, although I'm not sure either is really an upgrade from Harbaugh, but I'm probably higher on Harbaugh than most.
 
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Good point. Technically the B1G season doesn't end til December 19th. Gonna be a weird coaching carousel. I wouldn't be surprised if the teams that are looking for new coaches do it before the end of their seasons. No idea how that would work out with a new staff effectively signing the recruiting class while the old staff finishes the season.

Add in the transfer free-for-all and this will probably be the weirdest and wildest offseason ever.
I feel like this has happened before for bowl games. Vic Koenig was interim coach. Was beckman hired already?
I feel like other schools hired coaches and just recruited while bowl games were going on.
 
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I feel like this has happened before for bowl games. Vic Koenig was interim coach. Was beckman hired already?
I feel like other schools hired coaches and just recruited while bowl games were going on.
Yeah. It's pretty typical with bowl games and a normal college schedule. Normally the season is over around thanksgiving, giving at least a couple weeks of hiring a new coach and the early signing period. Adding the December signing period threw a wrench into the whole process but nothing quite like this year, with regular seasons literally not ending until after early signing day.
 
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Good point. Technically the B1G season doesn't end til December 19th. Gonna be a weird coaching carousel. I wouldn't be surprised if the teams that are looking for new coaches do it before the end of their seasons. No idea how that would work out with a new staff effectively signing the recruiting class while the old staff finishes the season.

Add in the transfer free-for-all and this will probably be the weirdest and wildest offseason ever.
I completely spaced that our schedule goes even later, thanks for reminding me. Lots to consider here. Firing your coach during the season is one thing, but will another coach be willing to leave his current school during the season? Add to that the balance between giving the new coach as much time as possible to recruit, while wanting as much of a body of work as possible to evaluate (especially important for Lewis).
 
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I completely spaced that our schedule goes even later, thanks for reminding me. Lots to consider here. Firing your coach during the season is one thing, but will another coach be willing to leave his current school during the season? Add to that the balance between giving the new coach as much time as possible to recruit, while wanting as much of a body of work as possible to evaluate (especially important for Lewis).
Yeah. I had completely forgotten about the early signing period, so thanks for reminding me. This year is just such a mess.

There's so many crazy factors:
1. Covid (obviously)
2. Late schedule
3. Free eligibility year
3. Transfer waiver/freebie
4. Normal early signing period
5. Financial implications on programs and coaching changes

Like each individual factor would be a big change, but we're dealing with a whole mess of them at the same time. Of course this is going to be the year that Illinois goes through a coaching change.
 
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I completely spaced that our schedule goes even later, thanks for reminding me. Lots to consider here. Firing your coach during the season is one thing, but will another coach be willing to leave his current school during the season? Add to that the balance between giving the new coach as much time as possible to recruit, while wanting as much of a body of work as possible to evaluate (especially important for Lewis).
Sorry to quote you again. It's just so crazy that the last "normal" coaching change for Illinois (Zook to Beckman) might as well have been 100 years ago based how much the environment changed. That was a very standard, fired at end of year, hire new coach a few weeks later, a couple months of finalizing your staff and recruiting class. This year there's no time, everything is so condensed and overlapping. I think the circumstances make a firing before the end of the season very likely, especially if we lose to Rutgers and/or Nebraska. I have no idea how the hiring would go though. Ideally you'd want the new coach in before early signing day, but that's basically during most teams regular season. It's really gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. If Sean Lewis is a front runner, the MAC season is only 6 games as is. If you need to hire him with enough time before signing day, we're talking what, like a 4 game season for him? Better do a ton of homework on him because that's a very limited resume. Also their 4th game is Buffalo (another coaching candidate). This is just all so wild.
 
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Sawicky

Chicago, IL
Lewis is a cool guy and he's quickly climbed up the ladder. Back in 09 he was the OC at Richards High School in Oak Lawn and 2010 was an offensive assistant at D2 Nebraska-Omaha.

I wonder what kind of a staff he would bring in though.
 
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Most likely - No new hire. Whitman hired Smith and gives him another year. Whitman requires that Smith make some changes to staff with Smith deciding what to do. Fans are told to continue to come to the games.

Second most likely - Smith is fired and replaced with a coach that is not an old, twice-fired, ex-Super Bowl, ex-NFL head coach. Past ILL hires have had different careers from the prior coach; for example Valek (ex-NFL assistant coach) replaced by Blackman (small-university head coach). Also, Moeller after Blackman, White after Moeller, Mackovic after White, Tepper after Mackovic, Turner after Tepper, Zook after Turmer, and Beckman after Zook (and Smith after Beckman/Cubit).

Therefore, we would expect that the hire would be a young head coach or assistant coach who comes direct from a university and has not coached in the NFL.
 
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Illinivek23

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Carp's 200 level yesterday was spot on. Listen to the 2nd half for take on football status quo
 
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Most likely - No new hire. Whitman hired Smith and gives him another year. Whitman requires that Smith make some changes to staff with Smith deciding what to do. Fans are told to continue to come to the games.

I don't think there's any way that Whitman does this. Attendance has been abysmal the last few years and with no fans this year, they have to get butts in the seats next year, or athletics is going to be in trouble financially. The best way to get fans in the seats is hiring a new coach who might bring some excitement to the program.

If Lovie is retained and forced to make significant staff changes, any coach worth anything will know he's on a flaming hot seat and nobody good will want to come here on basically a one year contract. He'll be on his third staff of crappy coaches which isn't going to excite anyone. With recruiting the way it is, we're looking at another losing season next year, everybody gets fired anyway, and all you did was delay the turnaround by another year or two.

Lovie's gotta go this year. It's the best time to do it.
 
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Lovie's gotta go this year. It's the best time to do it.

I'm in this camp too. Time to rip the band-aid off. Keeping him just delays the inevitable. Whitman has to make sure he's got his list identified, has done his homework on candidates and reasonably believes he can land one of his targets.
 
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Most likely - No new hire. Whitman hired Smith and gives him another year. Whitman requires that Smith make some changes to staff with Smith deciding what to do. Fans are told to continue to come to the games.

Second most likely - Smith is fired and replaced with a coach that is not an old, twice-fired, ex-Super Bowl, ex-NFL head coach. Past ILL hires have had different careers from the prior coach; for example Valek (ex-NFL assistant coach) replaced by Blackman (small-university head coach). Also, Moeller after Blackman, White after Moeller, Mackovic after White, Tepper after Mackovic, Turner after Tepper, Zook after Turmer, and Beckman after Zook (and Smith after Beckman/Cubit).

Therefore, we would expect that the hire would be a young head coach or assistant coach who comes direct from a university and has not coached in the NFL.
Your second most likely scenario is actually the most likely scenario to happen.
 
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I am starting to like the Sean Lewis talk also. He’s making 440000 a year so I would think the jump in salary would be enticing
If we offered him $2.5MM + $2MM for Lovie's butyout we would still be $500,000 favorable. Is this sounds like a win-win where we could inject some excitement, build for the future, and save some $
 
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Rittenberg hates Illinois. When he was blogger for the Big 10, his posts were pretty negative. It was hard for him to write anything remotely close to positive. But those two coaches are ones to keep an eye on.
He started off at the Daily Herald in the NW suburbs. I don't remember him coming off as anti-Illinois, but he rarely had anything good to say
 
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Most likely - No new hire. Whitman hired Smith and gives him another year. Whitman requires that Smith make some changes to staff with Smith deciding what to do. Fans are told to continue to come to the games.

Second most likely - Smith is fired and replaced with a coach that is not an old, twice-fired, ex-Super Bowl, ex-NFL head coach. Past ILL hires have had different careers from the prior coach; for example Valek (ex-NFL assistant coach) replaced by Blackman (small-university head coach). Also, Moeller after Blackman, White after Moeller, Mackovic after White, Tepper after Mackovic, Turner after Tepper, Zook after Turmer, and Beckman after Zook (and Smith after Beckman/Cubit).

Therefore, we would expect that the hire would be a young head coach or assistant coach who comes direct from a university and has not coached in the NFL.
Lovie's had 5 years to prove he can't coach. The financial constraints are much lower than they would have been a year ago and without a change we will be dead in the water in terms of recruitng and attendance for another year. This will be his last year here
 
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Sorry to quote you again. It's just so crazy that the last "normal" coaching change for Illinois (Zook to Beckman) might as well have been 100 years ago based how much the environment changed. That was a very standard, fired at end of year, hire new coach a few weeks later, a couple months of finalizing your staff and recruiting class. This year there's no time, everything is so condensed and overlapping. I think the circumstances make a firing before the end of the season very likely, especially if we lose to Rutgers and/or Nebraska. I have no idea how the hiring would go though. Ideally you'd want the new coach in before early signing day, but that's basically during most teams regular season. It's really gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. If Sean Lewis is a front runner, the MAC season is only 6 games as is. If you need to hire him with enough time before signing day, we're talking what, like a 4 game season for him? Better do a ton of homework on him because that's a very limited resume. Also their 4th game is Buffalo (another coaching candidate). This is just all so wild.
I am not really concerned with how a new coach impacts recruiting THIS year. With everyone basically getting an extra year, I think that this year is a freebie. I am more concerned with coaching ability and retaining players.
 
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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
If we offered him $2.5MM + $2MM for Lovie's butyout we would still be $500,000 favorable. Is this sounds like a win-win where we could inject some excitement, build for the future, and save some $
That would be the lowest salary in the B1G (per this article https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/) I get that it is a 568% increase, but Locksley is the only one close to that, and one of only 2 coaches under $4M/year.
 
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That would be the lowest salary in the B1G (per this article https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/) I get that it is a 568% increase, but Locksley is the only one close to that, and one of only 2 coaches under $4M/year.
Same article I found. I think 2.5 is plenty reasonable for a MAC coach. The rest of the B1G are all somewhat proven guys who have been given recent extensions/raises, or guys that required a pretty high price like Frost or Tucker. Nobody in any conference is going to give a MAC or similar-level HC that's making less than 500K, 3-4 mil per year right away.

Also, the financial situation from Covid will probably cause a bit of a reset, or at least a significant slowdown, of new hire coach salaries.
 
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I am not really concerned with how a new coach impacts recruiting THIS year. With everyone basically getting an extra year, I think that this year is a freebie. I am more concerned with coaching ability and retaining players.
It's going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out. I agree that there's not much hope for significant recruiting impact on this year's class, but as far as I know, the early signing period is still happening. It would be nice to have the new coach at least able to talk some of the current recruits into staying or get out there and get other recruits to hold off on signing at other places until the spring so as to give Illinois a look.
 
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Rittenberg hates Illinois. When he was blogger for the Big 10, his posts were pretty negative. It was hard for him to write anything remotely close to positive. But those two coaches are ones to keep an eye on.
There were positive things to say about Illinois football? Maybe he was right?
 
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It's going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out. I agree that there's not much hope for significant recruiting impact on this year's class, but as far as I know, the early signing period is still happening. It would be nice to have the new coach at least able to talk some of the current recruits into staying or get out there and get other recruits to hold off on signing at other places until the spring so as to give Illinois a look.
They will be free to go play in the MAC or where ever their other non-P5 offers were. I'm sure a lot of them will stick it out to be in the big ten
 
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They will be free to go play in the MAC or where ever their other non-P5 offers were. I'm sure a lot of them will stick it out to be in the big ten
Yeah that's true. We weren't exactly putting together a class of all-Americans. We were the strongest offer for most of the kids in this class.
 
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Also, just personal feeling, but I think most players and teams are treating this like a normal year, regardless of the "free eligibility" year. I think the vast majority of seniors this year will not be back at their schools next year.
 
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