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redwingillini11
White and Sixth
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This. These skids, individually aren't a problem. But as a whole it is pretty troubling. There is no reason Mizzou should be this unbeatable for us.
I actually thought when I typed that…it kinda sounded like a Pru-ism. sacraig
- The desert
This is where I'm at. If this is our new floor (or at least close to it) under BU, then that's fantastic as long as he can continue to raise our ceiling to regularly be in the second weekend of the tournament and occasionally beyond.
If this is more the new normal then that's a problem, but we don't have nearly enough data to claim that.
sacraig
- The desert
We lost embarrassingly to Mizzou this year but we beat them last year. They obviously aren't unbeatable to us, especially post rebuild mode.
Brad took a dumpster fire of a program to a winning one.
Would have made four straight NCAA T. births if not for Covid shut down. Who knows what would have happened that year. That team was clicking.
Loyola year ending poorly.
Last years team was unfortunately hobbled by Grandisons shoulder injury, and Trents pink eye. And their ceiling was never that high to begin with. (Dunk or Three ball)
Point is every team Underwood has coached going back to SFA has gotten significantly better throughout the year until this one. Why are we using this year as the norm.
Would have made four straight NCAA T. births if not for Covid shut down. Who knows what would have happened that year. That team was clicking.
Loyola year ending poorly.
Last years team was unfortunately hobbled by Grandisons shoulder injury, and Trents pink eye. And their ceiling was never that high to begin with. (Dunk or Three ball)
Point is every team Underwood has coached going back to SFA has gotten significantly better throughout the year until this one. Why are we using this year as the norm.
TheDukeUIUC
- Twin Cities, MN
We lost to Mizzou then went on to get a 1-seed two years ago. Most would have shrugged it off if we were still dancing.
Well good afternoon to you too sir
It seems as though some of our readers may need to borrow Pru’s meds to learn more about the realities of the business side of college bball
@pruman91Yeah, it’s a Thursday.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
bro , hit the button.........
Underwood is deserving of some of the criticism. No doubt about that. You can't continue to come out flat in the NCAA tournament 3 years in a row. But, let's also be real, this program was in a bad place during the John Groce years. We were an afterthought, we were mediocre, we were begging for a tournament appearance. So, to be where we are and where we were, I think some fans need to have some perspective and realize that the sky isn't falling and that although the experiment wasn't fully successful, Underwood still put together an NCAA tournament in a season where we lost almost everyone from last year.
The bar has been set high with a #1 seed that was achieved 2 years ago. Is the expectation of Sweet 16s and Elite 8s unrealistic? Absolutely not. But, is it fair to throw the coach who put us back on the map under the bus? I don't think so. Some people need to be careful what they wish for. Illinois has been used as a stepping stone by some coaches in this century and I would not want Sean Miller to be hired knowing full well that he would bolt for a better opportunity almost immediately.
The bar has been set high with a #1 seed that was achieved 2 years ago. Is the expectation of Sweet 16s and Elite 8s unrealistic? Absolutely not. But, is it fair to throw the coach who put us back on the map under the bus? I don't think so. Some people need to be careful what they wish for. Illinois has been used as a stepping stone by some coaches in this century and I would not want Sean Miller to be hired knowing full well that he would bolt for a better opportunity almost immediately.
"You can be the next Jalen Pickett" was a pretty good pitch, IMO
Glad he's going to use it out of conference now.
(a) You don't know that. And
(2) It's this type of thinking that put us into this mess after Self left. Oh, and
(c) No one is saying we should fire Underwood due to a difficult year this year. Hell, no one is saying to fire him at all (except a few restless souls). But a lot of us ARE saying you don't keep a coach around simply because he's a step up from the craptastic years we had at the end of Weber's tenure/most of Groce's tenure. At the end of the day, the question for Whitman will be: is Underwood living up to the bar we have set for him at Illinois? Plain and simple. If he is, great. He'll probably stay as long as he wants to. If not, at some point, you cut bait and try again.
wettsten
- Chicago
you obviously don't read bleacher report community posts. a lot of bad takes over there.
Bless their restless souls! ;-)
The “facts” are the ones I posted. Everything else stated here is hearsay, and man behind the curtain tactics. Sure, there may be truth to what you’re saying but the “trust me, I know secrets” argument isn’t convincing with very visible issues in the program and lack of postseason success.
Also, your personal insult just weakens your position. If I’m such a dumbass then these patterns across multiple years should all have an explanation beyond bad luck, and disgruntled parents.
Sean Miller and loyalty don't come to mind. If he had the opportunity, he would bolt for Pitt in a second and he would consider Kentucky if the opportunity came up. Underwood is a fine coach. Is he an elite coach, probably not. But what elite coach is coming to Illinois? I'll be waiting for your answer. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your expectations. Sounds like the same people who thought Shaka or Brad Stevens would come to Illinois. I for one, am happy that Shaka never set foot in Champaign.
Sean wouldn’t take Pitt … What coach wouldn’t take UK if offered the job lol …
That doesn’t have much to do with loyalty …
ChazzReinhold
Mom! The Meatloaf!
I just realized why Pru has such an upbeat attitude here. His Ignore game is elite.
I wouldn't trust a coach who just got a 2nd chance from the program that gave him his big break and then he bolts for another program within 1-2 yrs. C'mon now? Does it really take much to read between the lines there?
My hope for Sean Miller is that he repays the loyalty to Xavier and stays there for a while
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