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BashCtIllini
WyattEarp said:
Brad agrees…
“ March, is why we do all of this.”

-Brad Underwood

I am glad he’s back too. I’d like to believe he’ll have a little luck on his side one of these years and crack the code of March eventually.

I wish relations weren’t strained but it is what is I guess.

Not that it matters now really, but I am strangely curious as to what this: thread-the-needle, convoluted, triagaonal, long-shot path of going elsewhere actually was. Lol
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It wasn't exactly a rubiks cube here. If Terry does ultimately get the Texas job, that does not mean he was their top choice. Those insiders saying Underwood could leave did say Texas was striking out on their top targets. The thought was they would up their offer to land their guy. Take a guy like Jerome Tang, who if he got the job would open up Underwood's alma mater. Tang was born in the Caribbean but grew up in Texas. Spent a decade at a top Dallas high school, then 2 decades at Baylor. He is a Texas guy, has proved his worth and would be a natural choice for Texas.

Those same insiders also reported that Texas's AD is a bit nuts and that scares off potential coaches. Also remember the coaching community speaks. There's a reason people know the top names for open positions. They know Self is not likely long for the coaching world. Izzo is 68. Calipari is 64 and starting to flounder a bit at Kentucky (pitchforks are coming out). Yes Hubert Davis made an improbable title game run from an 8 seed his first year, but if he misses the tournament again next year, there will be people calling for his head. With the possibility of Kansas, Kentucky, MSU, and/or UNC opening up in the next 5 years (or less), I could certainly see top coaches saying, I'm winning, I'm happy, I don't want to deal with Texas. I'll see if one of these top jobs will come open shortly. If Self does retire, I'd imagine he'll do it after the title game as to not steal the thunder of the teams still playing.

I'll be interested to see if the money involved in coaching now leads to coaches retiring earlier? I know in the pros, you at least have some offseason, but in college once the 16 hour days of the season are over, then you get to fly around the country and kiss teenagers butts all summer. You get to sit at Thanksgiving dinner and text a high school kid that you've been thinking about them a lot, a whole lot. Why deal with that, when you have enough money your grandkids will live rich lives? Why not use that money to relax and take it easy the rest of your life. I'd imagine top tier college coaching is the exact opposite of taking it easy.
 
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jamarvelous31
BashCtIllini said:
It wasn't exactly a rubiks cube here. If Terry does ultimately get the Texas job, that does not mean he was their top choice. Those insiders saying Underwood could leave did say Texas was striking out on their top targets. The thought was they would up their offer to land their guy. Take a guy like Jerome Tang, who if he got the job would open up Underwood's alma mater. Tang was born in the Caribbean but grew up in Texas. Spent a decade at a top Dallas high school, then 2 decades at Baylor. He is a Texas guy, has proved his worth and would be a natural choice for Texas.

Those same insiders also reported that Texas's AD is a bit nuts and that scares off potential coaches. Also remember the coaching community speaks. There's a reason people know the top names for open positions. They know Self is not likely long for the coaching world. Izzo is 68. Calipari is 64 and starting to flounder a bit at Kentucky (pitchforks are coming out). Yes Hubert Davis made an improbable title game run from an 8 seed his first year, but if he misses the tournament again next year, there will be people calling for his head. With the possibility of Kansas, Kentucky, MSU, and/or UNC opening up in the next 5 years (or less), I could certainly see top coaches saying, I'm winning, I'm happy, I don't want to deal with Texas. I'll see if one of these top jobs will come open shortly. If Self does retire, I'd imagine he'll do it after the title game as to not steal the thunder of the teams still playing.

I'll be interested to see if the money involved in coaching now leads to coaches retiring earlier? I know in the pros, you at least have some offseason, but in college once the 16 hour days of the season are over, then you get to fly around the country and kiss teenagers butts all summer. You get to sit at Thanksgiving dinner and text a high school kid that you've been thinking about them a lot, a whole lot. Why deal with that, when you have enough money your grandkids will live rich lives? Why not use that money to relax and take it easy the rest of your life. I'd imagine top tier college coaching is the exact opposite of taking it easy.
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Plus, that Texas money is starting to get caught up with...so coaches are giving up less to avoid getting the Shaka treatment at a football school.
 
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WyattEarp
To BashCtIllini..

Yep, I assumed the K-State thing as a possibility…even though he’s turned it down once before. Also, not long ago in a galaxy not far away…we were told by one insider he thought Brad was potentially going to Texas. Then the needle moved in the opposite direction. As you say: Calipari and Self were/are still potential carousel monkey-wrenches….maybe-maybe not. All we really know is Brad and Terry are staying for now. Right?

Based on LvilleILL’s latest comment I thought maybe there might have been more of a wrinkle…that’s all.

I appreciate the post. There’s some good stuff in there.
 
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altgeld88
Perhaps the BU analogy to the "seven-year itch" in marriage is the "six-year itch" in coaching. It's possible after this rocky season he'll retool, change his approach yet again, reach players the way a guy like Larranaga does, enjoy the March success we all crave, and be content to enjoy Central Illinois prairie sunrises into his golden years. You never know.

I'm fairly confident at this point that he won't run us into the ground, and if he ever remotely heads in that direction Josh will push the "jettison" button, stat.
 
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Roundball Sage
BashCtIllini said:
I'll be interested to see if the money involved in coaching now leads to coaches retiring earlier?... Why deal with that, when you have enough money your grandkids will live rich lives? Why not use that money to relax and take it easy the rest of your life.
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This will likely be a trend going forward. There's just no good reason to keep on coaching if you're set for life financially. There is love of profession, yes. There is the ego and attention that goes with coaching, yes. But is that really a enough to keep on assuming the high and increasing levels of stress involved in modern day coaching? Once most upper-level guys get to the upper-regions of Middle Age that should be enough of the personal coaching achievements (and money in the bank) and time to find another way to make an impact on the lives of others. Even if those others is just your immediate family.

And some guys (like maybe a place like Syracuse?) just did not know that his milk-bottle expiration date had long passed and soured and it was already time years ago to bow out gracefully instead of looking petty and leaving the institution on strained terms.

And we see more and more athletes (even young ones) attending to mental health issues and doing so publicly. That is a good trend and one that needs greater emphasis by athletes and institutions.

As the stresses of society intensify and pressures of athletic competition get further ramped up -- there needs to be a proportional increase in paying attention to one's physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. And if one doesn't pay attention to this they will face problems down the road they don't need.
 
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sacraig
IlliniShelt said:
But if we put this to bed, what am I going to do all day during work??
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Player meetings and the portal carousel, duh!

In modern NCAA Basketball, the carousel never stops!
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tell it like it is
Roundball Sage said:
This will likely be a trend going forward. There's just no good reason to keep on coaching if you're set for life financially. There is love of profession, yes. There is the ego and attention that goes with coaching, yes. But is that really a enough to keep on assuming the high and increasing levels of stress involved in modern day coaching? Once most upper-level guys get to the upper-regions of Middle Age that should be enough of the personal coaching achievements (and money in the bank) and time to find another way to make an impact on the lives of others. Even if those others is just your immediate family.

And some guys (like maybe a place like Syracuse?) just did not know that his milk-bottle expiration date had long passed and soured and it was already time years ago to bow out gracefully instead of looking petty and leaving the institution on strained terms.

And we see more and more athletes (even young ones) attending to mental health issues and doing so publicly. That is a good trend and one that needs greater emphasis by athletes and institutions.

As the stresses of society intensify and pressures of athletic competition get further ramped up -- there needs to be a proportional increase in paying attention to one's physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. And if one doesn't pay attention to this they will face problems down the road they don't need.
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Bill Self says hi.
 
#40      
IlliniReb
INDY -
Given your connections - curious on your take RE: redwingillni's comment:

I asked my one half-insider source about all of this on Friday and he seemed pretty certain that Self can’t continue coaching. But until a domino actually drops I’m not going to spend a mi it’s thinking anything further is going to happen.
 
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altgeld88
BashCtIllini said:
It wasn't exactly a rubiks cube here. If Terry does ultimately get the Texas job, that does not mean he was their top choice. Those insiders saying Underwood could leave did say Texas was striking out on their top targets. The thought was they would up their offer to land their guy. Take a guy like Jerome Tang, who if he got the job would open up Underwood's alma mater. Tang was born in the Caribbean but grew up in Texas. Spent a decade at a top Dallas high school, then 2 decades at Baylor. He is a Texas guy, has proved his worth and would be a natural choice for Texas.

Those same insiders also reported that Texas's AD is a bit nuts and that scares off potential coaches. Also remember the coaching community speaks. There's a reason people know the top names for open positions. They know Self is not likely long for the coaching world. Izzo is 68. Calipari is 64 and starting to flounder a bit at Kentucky (pitchforks are coming out). Yes Hubert Davis made an improbable title game run from an 8 seed his first year, but if he misses the tournament again next year, there will be people calling for his head. With the possibility of Kansas, Kentucky, MSU, and/or UNC opening up in the next 5 years (or less), I could certainly see top coaches saying, I'm winning, I'm happy, I don't want to deal with Texas. I'll see if one of these top jobs will come open shortly. If Self does retire, I'd imagine he'll do it after the title game as to not steal the thunder of the teams still playing.

I'll be interested to see if the money involved in coaching now leads to coaches retiring earlier? I know in the pros, you at least have some offseason, but in college once the 16 hour days of the season are over, then you get to fly around the country and kiss teenagers butts all summer. You get to sit at Thanksgiving dinner and text a high school kid that you've been thinking about them a lot, a whole lot. Why deal with that, when you have enough money your grandkids will live rich lives? Why not use that money to relax and take it easy the rest of your life. I'd imagine top tier college coaching is the exact opposite of taking it easy.
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I'd guess that in order to reach a P5 head coaching position many such guys likely don't look at relaxing and taking it easy as an attractive option, even at 60. They're six-sigma competitive to get to that level and, barring a disillusioning event, probably are content to push on through their 60s.

Lou was 64 when he stepped down at Illinois. From what I understand, the death of his son in '92 was a deciding factor, as he'd understandably lost his taste for battle during his grief. And yet he returned to coaching at NMSt (gratis) as a retirement activity fairly quickly.
 
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pruman91
IlliniReb said:
INDY -
Given your connections - curious on your take RE: redwingillni's comment:

I asked my one half-insider source about all of this on Friday and he seemed pretty certain that Self can’t continue coaching. But until a domino actually drops I’m not going to spend a mi it’s thinking anything further is going to happen.
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I googled Bill Self health updates this morning and the latest I found was from 3/17/23..........nothing new .....talked about the stents and blocked arteries but said he was planning on coaching the game after the Ark-KU game but they lost so who knows what's up........
 
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dbeverly26
altgeld88 said:
I'd guess that in order to reach a P5 head coaching position many such guys likely don't look at relaxing and taking it easy as an attractive option, even at 60. They're six-sigma competitive to get to that level and, barring a disillusioning event, probably are content to push on through their 60s.

Lou was 64 when he stepped down at Illinois. From what I understand, the death of his son in '92 was a deciding factor, as he'd understandably lost his taste for battle during his grief. And yet he returned to coaching at NMSt (gratis) as a retirement activity fairly quickly.
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Yeah, these guys aren't really like you or me. You've really got to have something going on to stick with it for the 30 years it takes to get to being a 60-year-old P5 head coach in the first place, and unless you have some radical life-changing event that doesn't just go away, I think.
 
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purcy51
pruman91 said:

I googled Bill Self health updates this morning and the latest I found was from 3/17/23..........nothing new .....talked about the stents and blocked arteries but said he was planning on coaching the game after the Ark-KU game but they lost so who knows what's up........
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Wonder if the doctors went through his femoral artery (groin area) or radial artery( wrist)? If it was groin there's a greater chance of complications and could be why he decided to sit out the game against Ark. I've had caths done by both routes and can say from experience the groin approach can get extremely sore.
 
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