I really wanted Groce to be successful, he seemed like such a good guy. Heard personal stories to back this up. Seems like he's doing pretty well at Akron, which is probably about the level he should coach. Great guy, good coach, just not P5 good. Hope he continues to have success.John Groce was not good, but Groce was not the problem. Mike Thomas was the problem. That was the hire that set us up for the fall we had in both Football and Basketball. He hired a defensive minded head coach who had terrible defenses. Thus it was a shock to no one that Matt Campbell, the OC, was actually responsible for Toledo's wins, proven by his success at Iowa State and Beckman's failure. Groce never finished better than 3rd in the MAC, but Thomas thought this was the right guy. Groce took the losses, but Thomas was to blame.