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Games are 20 mins faster. That equates to a little over a minute per half inning saved. Creating situations where Cody Bellinger is called for a strike while receiving a standing ovation on his return to Los Angeles, over one minute of quicker gameplay that half inning is ludicrous.
As Gritty hinted at, this would be handled like the professional unions. This year's draft choices are not part of the union and had no say in the salary structure that they are going to become part of. That's just the way it is. The players and owners agreed to it. The draft itself, while not a product of the union, is part of the overall structure that restricts rookies. Imagine if Wembanyama was able to just bid himself out to the highest bidder.
The angle for the schools is that if you can get a deal done that advantages the older players the newcomers just have to abide by it.
Your third party point is excellent. I think the hope would be that the schools control more money and that the third party deals are not as signficant. This has always been the case in the pros where part of the lure of going to a big market city is to get added endorsement money. It does beg the question as to whether some rich Bear fan has ever contemplated a ridiculous endorsement deal for a player to avoid the salary cap.
Well the big problem with the older players getting a deal done that benefits them at the expense of younger players\\ neglects one very important fact. Look at the NBA lottery picks from year to year.
2022 - 6 Fr
2021 - 7 Fr
2020 - 5 Fr
2019 - 8 Fr
2018 - 10 Fr
You get the trend. So if I'm Cade Cunningham, Pablo Banchero, Deandre Ayton, Zion Williamson and the other 5 star guys that 100% believe their 1 and done lottery picks, why would I enter a union that doesn't treat me like the star I think I am, especially when I'm only planning on being a college student for 4 months?
As for third parties, currently the school is about the only entity NOT allowed to pay the players.
You enter the union for the same reason that Zion Williamson entered the NBA union. It's a requirement to play in the league.
Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
It’s not about being horrible. It’s about optimizing for what is legal or can be made legal. I’ve seen it repeatedly in corporate America in search of profit. This is no different, but it’s a search for more wins.
Yea. They should've added the shot clock and removed 2 innings. Then the avg game would be under 2 hours.
You've identified the causation - the NBA's 1 and dine rule stifles competition, and restricts opportunities for those few (and they are the few) from making the leap from HS to the pros, ala Darryl Dawkins. The issue was really never with the structure of the NCAA per se (IMHO), but the the NBA's unwillingness to give up their free minor league.
My kids could barely sit through 7 innings in the past because of all the stoppages and lulls. I’ve taken them to 3 games already this year and they’ve sat through them all, show interest, and are asking to go to more. The lack of lulls and pauses is why.
It’s not like MLB just did this and didn’t test or tell anyone the rules. They tested in the minors and player and fans liked it. It needed to happen. Bellinger knew the rules and should’ve gotten in the box and hit.
It’s not like MLB just did this and didn’t test or tell anyone the rules. They tested in the minors and player and fans liked it. It needed to happen. Bellinger knew the rules and should’ve gotten in the box and hit.
In a league where the MLB is struggling to get more action in games and produce more excitement, you effectively give the runner two strikes to get a hit in an at bat. Whereas the pitching talent continues to outpace the hitting talent league-wide.
Ballsy move.
Ransom Stoddard
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- Bloomington, IL
Allowing a pitcher or batter to waste time is the opposite of a fan-friendly game.
Didn’t Northwestern try to unionize at one point?
They didn't make a change for the sake of changing. They read the room, saw the amount of action per game trails behind pretty much every other sport and found a way to keep the same amount of game time in which to create action, with less unnecessary time for unnecessary parts of the game.
Basketball has timers for offensive possessions, inbounds plays, free throws, getting the ball across half court, how long a time out is, how long you can be closely guarded on the perimeter, how long you can be in the lane.
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST INITIATE WHATEVER THEY WANT WHEN THEY WANT! THE HUMANITY!
Basketball has timers for offensive possessions, inbounds plays, free throws, getting the ball across half court, how long a time out is, how long you can be closely guarded on the perimeter, how long you can be in the lane.
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST INITIATE WHATEVER THEY WANT WHEN THEY WANT! THE HUMANITY!
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I'd wager my beach house (in Tuscany) that most of the posters on Loyalty love Illini sports because of their love for the university. We always viewed the players and coaches as representatives of the university. That's gone, likely never to return.
When I was at UI over 30 years ago, the basketball team was led by Kenny Battle and the football team by Jeff George. Both were transfers. Everyone cheered for them anyway.
This year the teams were led by TSJ/Michael Mayer and Tommy Devito. All were transfers. Everyone cheered for them anyway.
Next year will be the same. Ten years from now will be the same.
People cheer for pro teams for decades on end despite every player being a free agent at some point. We’re used to this. Now it’s coming to college sports. No big deal.
We cheer for the Illini because of the University affiliation. That won’t change.
See: G League.
Zion Williamson has no power in the NBA, there's nowhere else to go that can match the NBA. Those 5 star super studs can tell the NCAA I don't need you. I can go to Overtime Elite. I can go to the NBA G League. I can go play professionally overseas. I'll be in the NBA next year anyway. You on the other hand will be losing bankable stars. So you need me more than I need you.
It's a very weird dynamic in college sports. As it is now, the players have all the power. If Derrick Rose says my brother needs a house or I'm not signing with you, someone finds a house. However, if it were to ever come down to the schools saying this is the way we're doing it or there are no more college sports, the schools have all the power. I just had a USFL game on, there were less than 100 people in the stands. Minor league baseball and the G League play in front of empty seats. As has been stated already in this thread, the people come for the school. There are personal connections for many fans to the school, they feel a part of the team. Without that connection there's no audience for watching 18-22 year olds, that aren't good enough to make the NBA, play basketball. Even if they could get a league going to replace college basketball, like an expanded Overtime Elite, there certainly wouldn't be over 350 teams, or even over 60 to match P5 schools, and the attendance, thus the money, would be MUCH lower than what major colleges bring in.
I would add that many non-alumni have personal affiliations with the university. There are the 7500 employees. Also, there are indirect connections such as employee's families, businesses that cater to students, beneficiaries of extension programs, just growing up in Illini country, etc.
Why take baby steps. Just put the ball on a T and let them swing. That’ll speed things up
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Mostly agree. However, baseball has a more structured system. The farm leagues and minor league stadiums (Durham, Springfield-M, Des Moines to name a few) have better attendance than other sports and aren’t totally empty. Those bb teams anchor those small markets well. I can’t say that for all markets but it’s definitely not G League level. Baseball and basketball are two different animals.
Your point of college basketball teams and attendance is totally spot on - especially about the money. College sports is a great vessel for pulling in fan dollars. College basketball has got to decide what it values. The fans will then have a say based on dollars (tix sales, etc). IMO MBB has over played it hand and will stop drawing casual fans in numbers like it had in years past. The portal madness turns a lot of people off. Personally, I don’t mind it but I swear every old guy basketball fan I know is crowing about it. My younger nieces and nephews enjoy the camaraderie of college sports but don’t particularly enjoying going to games - they’d rather go to the bars on green street. I just enjoy the local pride and support for my regional teams (Illini, Cardinals, Bears) though I have long since moved out of central Illinois. I haven’t lived in-state in 20yrs, but I still get to multiple football and basketball games a year. They’ll get my dollar but I’m not sure about the masses.
Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
The apples to apples comparison of the first 4 games of the regular season was 3:09 to 2:38. That's 31 minutes, 16%, or an inning and a half. That is not insignificant. I wish they could shave off that time from football games for timeouts/tv timeouts. Would make it more enjoyable to watch.
Couldn't they very easily adjust for your edge case and allow a team a 30/45/60 second time out or two a game?
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