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He may not have even known the answer to that question.
Very selfish, just upended the lives of everyone involved with the program.
Kerr Krisa your table is ready
Kerr Krisa your table is ready
Captain 14
- The Last Best Place
Maybe RaeQuan Battle will want to move. 46.9% 35.3% 83.3%
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
yea
that worked up until about 1975. not so much after that
It worked for Bill numerous times in Champaign lol
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Go read a Maryland board, a Syracuse board, a Cincinnati board, an Arkansas board, etc. and see how they talk about their jobs. They think it's the greatest place on Earth and have a swagger about themselves. In one form or another, Illinois has had similar success to those programs over the years, and - most importantly! - I think it's obvious that the "quality of our job" actually punches far above our historical accomplishments. It actually bewilders me, because there is really no reason that this fan base should feel more "snake bitten" than any other historically successful program that is below the Blue Bloods, yet we have this COMPLETELY misplaced baseline insecurity in who we are.
The only reason anyone would leave Illinois for West Virginia is because he is about to be run out of town. And Josh Whitman would not run someone out of town unless he had a CLEAR upgrade ready to go. So, if you are wrong (as I maintain you are), Illini fans should be and largely will be happy. And, if you are right, all Illini fans will probably be happy, as well!
Why did RJ leave for Georgia then? Why did Epps leave for Providence? Why did RayJ choose Baylor? Why aren't we fighting off point guards who would love to play for our esteemed program?
The baseline of self-esteem in not thinking we could never lose Orlando Antigua and Chin Coleman, it is knowing that we'll be ok if we do. Stuff happens to everybody, overcoming it is what makes the program great.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
But those players didn’t leave for better programs and we ARE okay … that’s my point. To act like we’d lose a coach to WVU that we WANTED to keep is the ridiculous insecurity I referenced.
Cause kids make stupid decisions all the time
Epps is gonna have a rude awakening when he gets to Providence and Coach Cooley ain’t there.
Yeah, when he did the radio interview a while back where he used the word ‘homos’ to describe some schools fan base, I figured he had a few cocktails in him. The dude’s got a real problem.
I can't see that a single one of those decisions was "stupid". Seems to me that each is, at worst, a matter of taste. And to the extent that either of those players could get more of something they wanted (playing time, coaching style, NIL, etc.) at the other school would make it even more rational.
I’m glad you said something. I thought I had completely lost it. (Georgetown)
NCAA had been telling players no waiver for transfers due to coaching change. An example is Bryce Hopkins can't follow Ed Cooley.
Now Rothstein reports the NCAA will grant WVA players a special 30 day window to transfer with a waiver.
If true, that Is BS. Do Texas players get a special portal too?
Now Rothstein reports the NCAA will grant WVA players a special 30 day window to transfer with a waiver.
If true, that Is BS. Do Texas players get a special portal too?
Uh oh, does that ALSO mean he would go back to Ann Arbor on a whim…should they b**ch slap Juan out of town?
They would suck.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Juwan Howard really has become the Scott Frost of Big Ten basketball … we love making fun of him, but we’re also praying his tenure lasts as long as possible! Lol.
Hell to the yeah. Beilein was one heck of a coach. I’m glad we’re not facing him anymore…and I sure don’t wanna see anyone else of that caliber there. So yeah.
Yes, exactly, and not just kids.
I see. You assumed that i thought 'we' wanted to keep him. I have not assumed that, and didn't realize i was the one you though was insecure. The collective 'we' on loyalty may want to keep Underwood, but Whitman is the one that matters, and i famously took Indy's Sean Miller comments after the season as a shot fired by the Athletic Department across Underwood's bow. I'm not saying Whitman wants to push him out, i'm not saying Whitman wants to keep him. Neither I nor the vast majority of posters here know. I listen to what the insiders are saying, and I was asking Indy or 440 what they thought. We only know what they are generous enough to tell us.
If 440 says 'Maybe, if it wasn't June,' that's good enough for me. Barring acts of God, Underwood will be our coach til April. He will do a fine job, and i will be listening for what Indy and 440 have to say after the season.
Thanks 440.
DOH! Georgetown i obviously should have said. Thanks for the catch RDC!
ESPN mentions BU and just about 35% of all college coaches in their article about possible replacements
Well in essence, I don’t disagree with you.
The Illini fan “inferiority” thing is real. Sometimes it manifests as more of a full “persecution complex”…”of course that happened we’re Illinois…blah blah…
(As you all know. lol)
I think what it comes down to is: for the 10th-11th winningest D1 Basketball program…we arguably do not have the post season success commensurate with that stature. We are not alone… other schools have similar historical resumes. Some are the opposite; and are weighted
disproportionately the other way.
And fair or not…the world sees and remembers TOURNAMENT success. We cling to ‘89 and ‘05 partially because we are rabid fans…but partially because it’s what we have. We don’t have that much post season success as a program. That’s just the way it is. (That doesn’t mean it should stay that way!)
We have a rich collective history…and we’re proud of it. But the world at large just doesn’t generally know or care. That’s a tough thing to hear as a rabid Illini fan…but it’s true.
Don’t believe me? Do you consider Utah a basketball juggernaut? Their win total is
VERY comparable to us? Were you even aware that was the case?
Do you think we are superior to Utah?
I do, sure but I am a biased Illini fan.
How do Utah fans view themselves?
If they thought of themselves as equals…they would have a valid argument based on actual data. Most people on the street would probably say Illinois has the better program of the two. But if your criteria is total program wins…Utah has a claim.
But since we’re talking about Utah….
Utah has a better all-time win total than Nova and Michigan State? But the last
two have been relatively consistent fixtures in March.
Ask 5 people on the street…of those 3, who has a better basketball program and see what they tell you…
People have short memories and they remember a few consecutive, flashy teams from the tournament…and that becomes the collective perception of the world.
And we Illini fans pick up on that collective perception of the casual fan more than we want to admit. And it pisses us off. Lol
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