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RollChief
Victor Choke-a-Baby said:
I know this is kinda out of left field, but how crazy would it be if we could get Ben back for one more year? He fixes a lot of problems right now...
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Honestly, I don't see where Ben meaningfully fits into this year's roster at this point, assuming Mirk comes back near 100%. It also seems like Ben has got enough of the winning stuff to give himself a shot on an NBA roster in the future, so probably wouldn't be a great deal for him.

My sense is the staff recruited the 5 freshmen this year as a multi-year play for the continuation of the culture and with the promise that they would have a shot at rotation minutes this year on a potential final four team if they committed to the winning philosophy.

It would probably create a sour taste with that cohort of players who have been around for the summer and dedicated themselves to improving with the team. I doubt they go for any 5th-year guys barring something major changing.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
RollChief said:
Honestly, I don't see where Ben meaningfully fits into this year's roster at this point, assuming Mirk comes back near 100%. It also seems like Ben has got enough of the winning stuff to give himself a shot on an NBA roster in the future, so probably wouldn't be a great deal for him.
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Backup 4. Right where he was last year.

I don't think you turn him down if he wants to be back (agree it's unlikely).
 
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PleaseMakeABowlGame
RollChief said:
It would probably create a sour taste with that cohort of players who have been around for the summer and dedicated themselves to improving with the team. I doubt they go for any 5th-year guys barring something major changing.
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Cool, but aren't rotation-level players on a championship-level team (at least as freshman).

Ben is, has proven it in our system, and solves a lot of problems.

You have to ask yourself: would any of the "cohort of players" you're talking about have played meaningful minutes on any of the Final 4 teams from last season?

If the answer is no, then they probably aren't worthy of major minutes on our team next year either, as the goal is Final 4 or National Championship.
 
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RollChief
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
Cool, but aren't rotation-level players on a championship-level team (at least as freshman).
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Have you been attending the practices?

I think your "(at least as freshman)" is my point, you're going to burn some multi-year goodwill if you recruit over them in the 11th hour. I think the idea that you could wedge Ben or someone else in here and it would be smooth is a bit myopic.

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Ben is, has proven it in our system, and solves a lot of problems.
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Ben fit a key piece off the bench last year, in last year's system. My sense is there are probably some changes happening to that system this year, as there have been with every other year. If you asked this board about BH around this time last year, he belonged in NAIA at best. I think the staff is making some adjustments this year that are hard to envision at this point until we've seen these guys play, and there are guys that are probably going to be better than we expect (and some worse, but that's how it goes).
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You have to ask yourself: would any of the "cohort of players" you're talking about have played meaningful minutes on any of the Final 4 teams from last season?
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I don't know, I haven't seen them play, but according to the insiders on here who comment on the board, a few have shown flashes. Arizona made the final four last year starting 3 Freshmen with a 4th in the rotation, thankfully we only really need 1 to be starter-level and another to be good enough to play meaningful minutes in order to fill out an 8-man rotation.
 
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RollChief
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Backup 4. Right where he was last year.

I don't think you turn him down if he wants to be back (agree it's unlikely).
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For a lot of last season (at least through the tournament), BH actually played more at the 3 than the 4 (sorry, I know this is pedantic)

I wrote enough about it already a few minutes ago so I don't want to beat it to death, but honestly I think the culture downside outweighs the performance upside if you bring anyone else in at this point.
 
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steelmen72
These guys are a joke coming back to get another year but these colleges are desperate enough to take these guys. Gone on with your damn life because If you wasn't good enough to get drafted after playing four years in college then adding another year won't change a damn thing. PITIFUL!!
 
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jamarvelous31
steelmen72 said:
These guys are a joke coming back to get another year but these colleges are desperate enough to take these guys. Gone on with your damn life because If you wasn't good enough to get drafted after playing four years in college then adding another year won't change a damn thing. PITIFUL!!
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Controversial opinion:

Making a million+ to continue playing basketball is good actually, and the only reason why it's notable is the NCAA made a dumb rule that 5th years aren't ok to play this year, only starting next.
 
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Illiniguy13
steelmen72 said:
These guys are a joke coming back to get another year but these colleges are desperate enough to take these guys. Gone on with your damn life because If you wasn't good enough to get drafted after playing four years in college then adding another year won't change a damn thing. PITIFUL!!
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Here's a nugget for you...Maybe, just maybe, they realize they aren’t pro material and figure coming back to college to play the game they love, make a buttload of money, and enjoy another year of college life isn’t such a bad idea :D
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
steelmen72 said:
These guys are a joke coming back to get another year but these colleges are desperate enough to take these guys. Gone on with your damn life because If you wasn't good enough to get drafted after playing four years in college then adding another year won't change a damn thing. PITIFUL!!
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What if it gets them millions of dollars for playing the game they love?

Pretty irresponsible if they were to pass that up (if you ask me).
 
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jjv0004
These guys are a joke coming back to get another year but these colleges are desperate enough to take these guys. Gone on with your damn life because If you wasn't good enough to get drafted after playing four years in college then adding another year won't change a damn thing. PITIFUL!!
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Your take is fairly pitiful. Not you. The take. I don't think anyone on this site would buy for one second that you would not take 100's of thousands if not millions of dollars to play basketball another year. We would all jump at that chance.
 
#118      
Calvin
What if it gets them millions of dollars for playing the game they love?
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Who would do such a pitiful thing? Not the OP I'm sure.
 
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jamarvelous31
steelmen72 said:
Trimble is getting 3 million from Louisville and he has played 4 years of college basketball with averages of 7.7 ppg and and 29% shooter from the 3. Louisville is what you call a desperate team.
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He seems...fine? His stats are actually pretty similar to Andrej's... Do I want him on Illinois? No, but the move assumes that your coach is better than Hubert Davis so there might be potential to unlock, which IL knows they are and UL seems to believe Pat is.

Louisville is probably wrong, but it's wild to blame the player for cashing the check.


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PleaseMakeABowlGame
These guys are a joke coming back to get another year but these colleges are desperate enough to take these guys. Gone on with your damn life because If you wasn't good enough to get drafted after playing four years in college then adding another year won't change a damn thing. PITIFUL!!
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Trimble is getting 3 million from Louisville and he has played 4 years of college basketball with averages of 7.7 ppg and and 29% shooter from the 3. Louisville is what you call a desperate team.
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HoopsterMan
steelmen72 said:
Trimble is getting 3 million from Louisville and he has played 4 years of college basketball with averages of 7.7 ppg and and 29% shooter from the 3. Louisville is what you call a desperate team.
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I hope they implode. What they're doing is desperate, gross, without intention. Stacking talent isn't building teams. So many people forget what building chemistry and teams is all about, it's complimentary skills and culture fits. How is their previous starting SG gonna feel, I think he was with them last year?

I hope they blow, Kentucky blows, Tennessee blows. Personally don't want to see teams buying wins. Using the portal is one thing, treating it like Amazon is another.
 
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