College Sports (Basketball)

#154      
Lloyd feels like he needs an A+ roster to make real noise. Not sure how he is rolling out a team in today's world that is in the bottom quarter of three point shooting.

He had a roster last year that had the super senior B12 player of the year at PG, a top ten pick at 2G, two draft picks this year at the 3 & 5 and Pete, with the best 4 backup in the country coming off the bench in Awaka. They were very good, but you can't get that embarrassed in the F4.
 
#156      
AJ Storr is the definition of everything that is wrong in the current environment. No problem with guys getting the bag, but the lack of guardrails that allows this vagabond existence is just comically stupid.
It's only an issue if you still think college sports are amateurs.

Otherwise this sort of thing happens all the time in the pros- Edwin Jackson played for 14 teams in 17 years in the MLB, Ish Smith 13 teams in 14 yrs in the NBA, Josh Johnson is on his 14th team in the NFL.
 
#157      
It's only an issue if you still think college sports are amateurs.

Otherwise this sort of thing happens all the time in the pros- Edwin Jackson played for 14 teams in 17 years in the MLB, Ish Smith 13 teams in 14 yrs in the NBA, Josh Johnson is on his 14th team in the NFL.
And really, truly, have they ever been amateurs? 1920s college football was rife with under-the-table payments and college baseball and football players moonlighting during holidays and days off for various professional leagues, particularly during WWI when a lot of the guys who would have been playing pro ball were fighting overseas.
 
#158      
This will hopefully give a good barometer for what to expect from TTU Nov 10th.

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#159      
It's only an issue if you still think college sports are amateurs.

Otherwise this sort of thing happens all the time in the pros- Edwin Jackson played for 14 teams in 17 years in the MLB, Ish Smith 13 teams in 14 yrs in the NBA, Josh Johnson is on his 14th team in the NFL.
I think difference is that the professional teams are entering contracts with the players for 1-year contracts, full expectations that they won’t be losing the player at the end of the season. The players is filling a spot for them. Also it’s a disadvantage to the player to be constantly moving team to team.

College at the moment (at least from what we, the fans, see) is flipped in that the player comes with no contract keeping them at the school. So the team can expect the player to remain at the end of the season, but lose them to this “constant free-agency” system that benefits players to shop around, and disadvantages the team.
 
#160      
I think difference is that the professional teams are entering contracts with the players for 1-year contracts, full expectations that they won’t be losing the player at the end of the season. The players is filling a spot for them. Also it’s a disadvantage to the player to be constantly moving team to team.

College at the moment (at least from what we, the fans, see) is flipped in that the player comes with no contract keeping them at the school. So the team can expect the player to remain at the end of the season, but lose them to this “constant free-agency” system that benefits players to shop around, and disadvantages the team.
I guess I see that as a 1-year contract. The difference is that there used to be rules discouraging transfers, so we got used to a paradigm of multi-year players without actual contracts. Some players are reported to have multi-year contracts now, but it remains to be seen whether those are honored and/or whether they become more popular.
 
#161      
I think difference is that the professional teams are entering contracts with the players for 1-year contracts, full expectations that they won’t be losing the player at the end of the season. The players is filling a spot for them. Also it’s a disadvantage to the player to be constantly moving team to team.

College at the moment (at least from what we, the fans, see) is flipped in that the player comes with no contract keeping them at the school. So the team can expect the player to remain at the end of the season, but lose them to this “constant free-agency” system that benefits players to shop around, and disadvantages the team.

I think the market has adjusted pretty well.
Programs, depend on the program.

It's really challenging programs to get evaluations right, and I think coaches would rather roll the dice on retention over getting stuck with multi-year commitments, except in rare circumstances. At current prices, I think buy-outs will become more common to give programs a better chance at retention, but still giving players upside for great development. Would love to know what the Mensah settlement was, since that seems to be a great example of a multi-year that went bad under stress.

It's fueling my cynicism the way the NCAA has tried over and over again to exclude players from the table. For decades by claiming they were amateurs and capriciously enforcing rules, and now by simply ignoring them and hoping congress with throw them a lifeline. This all seems solvable to me, but is getting dragged on while the NCAA tries to gain more leverage over players with eligibility rules. Quite a power struggle has evolved between conferences, players, and the NCAA.
 
#162      
I think difference is that the professional teams are entering contracts with the players for 1-year contracts, full expectations that they won’t be losing the player at the end of the season. The players is filling a spot for them. Also it’s a disadvantage to the player to be constantly moving team to team.

College at the moment (at least from what we, the fans, see) is flipped in that the player comes with no contract keeping them at the school. So the team can expect the player to remain at the end of the season, but lose them to this “constant free-agency” system that benefits players to shop around, and disadvantages the team.
Yeah, most of this boils down to if the NCAA acknowledged reality and collectively bargained you could get some of that certainty.

I know others dislike it, but this has been a really successful period for IL basketball so it's hard for me to get worked up.
 
#163      
Yeah, most of this boils down to if the NCAA acknowledged reality and collectively bargained you could get some of that certainty.

I know others dislike it, but this has been a really successful period for IL basketball so it's hard for me to get worked up.
I agree, ultimately. It’s raised my anxiety for sure. But Michigan and Indiana proved you’re roughly 2 years removed from elite success. And I think Whitman has proven he’s able to be competitive consistently in this new era of college Sports
 
#164      
Yeah, most of this boils down to if the NCAA acknowledged reality and collectively bargained you could get some of that certainty.

I know others dislike it, but this has been a really successful period for IL basketball so it's hard for me to get worked up.
you can't collectively bargain with students
 
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