they will drag it out if they can . it won’t exist for P2 football in 24 months
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"The panel determines that a postseason ban would unfairly penalize student-athletes for the actions of coaches and staff who are no longer associated with the program"
Had to laugh/cringe when I read that. When have they ever cared about athletes that had nothing to do with a schools violations?
Had to laugh/cringe when I read that. When have they ever cared about athletes that had nothing to do with a schools violations?
This punishment will have lasting effects, sadly.
I would now submit that all the work that has been done to come to an agreement over revenue share/NIL will be all for moot.
If Texas Tech wants to pay high school kids 5 million dollars to come to Lubbock...screw your 3rd party valuation we can pay whatever fine you levy. When actual cheating is punished with financial penalties --no Postseason ban, no vacating, no scholarship reduction....
How could you ever levy a serious punitive judgement on a school ever again?! You gave out a 20 million dollar fine to a school with a 17 billion dollar endowment.
Also, millions if not billions of dollars were wagered over those games... it's hard to claim NCAA is maintaining Institutional control over the sport if they slap you on the wrist for what is clear and present cheating.
IANAL but could someone sue Michigan over cheating in a sport where betting is authorized through the leagues affiliation with the sports betting platforms?
I would now submit that all the work that has been done to come to an agreement over revenue share/NIL will be all for moot.
If Texas Tech wants to pay high school kids 5 million dollars to come to Lubbock...screw your 3rd party valuation we can pay whatever fine you levy. When actual cheating is punished with financial penalties --no Postseason ban, no vacating, no scholarship reduction....
How could you ever levy a serious punitive judgement on a school ever again?! You gave out a 20 million dollar fine to a school with a 17 billion dollar endowment.
Also, millions if not billions of dollars were wagered over those games... it's hard to claim NCAA is maintaining Institutional control over the sport if they slap you on the wrist for what is clear and present cheating.
IANAL but could someone sue Michigan over cheating in a sport where betting is authorized through the leagues affiliation with the sports betting platforms?
When you are Michigan
IANAL, but I have a hard time seeing anyone being successful in a lawsuit you describe .
really hard to prove what caused the financial loss in this scenario . cheating in sports is done all the time by players , coaches & mgmt .
Okay I’m apparently 5 years old because IANAL might be the worst acronym in the history of acronyms….
Its a common acronym that we have held over from our time litigating Terrance Shannon's case.Okay I’m apparently 5 years old because IANAL might be the worst acronym in the history of acronyms….
I don't even like thinking about that dark period in Illinois fandom. Worse for the incredible young man who had to endure it
Not vacating wins is a stupid decision by NCAA. Wtf! USC had to vacate their BCS title because Reggie Bush's parents got money from an agent. That didn't give USC any competitive advantage on the field. Michigan's sign stealing scheme DID give them a competitive advantage. No wonder people think NCAA is a joke!
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Forfeiting wins does nothing. They got the wins whether a record book admits it or not.
The obvious answer is forfeiting future post-season play. That has the greatest impact on the program and is the best deterrent to future cheating. The NCAA has said they considered a post season ban, but decided against it to protect the current players who were not involved in the sign stealing scheme.
The easy solution to that is begin the ban the following season and allow players to transfer out ahead of time.
100% agree with the sentiment. However, I think the same way you see plea deals in court that shock the conscience, the NCAA is no different. They know programs can and will fight back, so they bake that into the punishment. Flexibility in the suspension is just a way to make it more palatable to the target to try and make the punishment stick.
For clarity, the comments below aren't to defend Michigan, since there's evidence there were violations. I'm going off second-hand reports, but I'm told that programs have known for a looong time that there's scouting of signs, so the smart ones don't use the same ones from game to game or even drive to drive. And sign "stealing" per se is not the issue, but the way they went about it. FWIW the Wikipedia entry on this talks about several BIGTEN programs doing the same and even sharing signs of Michigan's with each other. The claims of how much advantage they had seem wildly exaggerated IMHO.
For those that think a $30 million hit isn't a deterrent, I think you're smoking something. The infractions were before the Natty with the BIGTEN investiagation starting mid-Oct. If they hadn't gone all the way, they'd presumably still have the bill and had to finish the season. I would think it could also backfire for teams that knew how disguise signaling or use it against them. If you want to buy a Natty, tOSU is the way to do it --get yourself a Yankees level roster.
In my observations, the NCAA comes down HARD on anything that threatens their business model. Keep in mind that the NFL moved to more expensive helmets so communications were more secure. It's been brought up with the NCAA but hasn't been adopted. The sport really needs more consistent practices around punishment and enforecement, but we've known that forever.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
28? Why not 32? Or will the B1G have 28 teams by then, and we just play each other.
Edit: I think 16 is too much, personally. I think 8 makes more sense, but that likely would not help us.
a 28 team model will give the conf champs of each P4 a bye week while the other 24 get narrowed down to 12 , and then the 16 teams play the next weekend28? Why not 32? Or will the B1G have 28 teams by then, and we just play each other.
Edit: I think 16 is too much, personally. I think 8 makes more sense, but that likely would not help us.
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
he's not wrong:
the national
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Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
What does that mean (I don’t have x)
For a second i thought this was the symbol for northern aggression
InDaAZ
- Eugene, Oregon
* Asterisk on their Natty
In reference to scUM, I would go with:
Kurt Vonnegut’s artistic rendition of where the
comes out… (from Breakfast of Champions) 
Big Ten floating idea for 24- or 28-team CFP, sources say
While the idea is in the very early stages, the Big Ten's proposal for a 24- or 28-team College Football Playoff eliminates conference title games and offers a large number of auto bids for all four power leagues.
In modern football with free transfers this is BS by the NCAA. Maybe wait until next year for ban as it is late to transfer this year.
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
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