GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
Remember the Big Ten, Pac 12, ACC alliance? I 'member.
Conference Realignment
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ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
PAC-12 MEETING:
George Klivakoff: Let's all discuss openly and privately what we're thinking so we don't have any more unexpected defections
Arizona: That TV deal sucks, we're outta here!
Oregon: Daddy Phil says we're a real football school now, we don't belong with you fools
Stanford: We're all billionaires, we literally do not care
Washington State: The Pac-10 used to stand for something! How could we betray each other? Shame on you all!
Cal:
George Klivakoff: Let's all discuss openly and privately what we're thinking so we don't have any more unexpected defections
Arizona: That TV deal sucks, we're outta here!
Oregon: Daddy Phil says we're a real football school now, we don't belong with you fools
Stanford: We're all billionaires, we literally do not care
Washington State: The Pac-10 used to stand for something! How could we betray each other? Shame on you all!
Cal:
How many people in this gym have ever felt personally victimized by Larry Scott?
A bad situation made worse. He's the Gary Moeller of the Pac-12:
Kliavkoff said: "With respect to the Big 12 being open for business, I appreciate that. We haven't decided if we're going shopping there yet or not."
2022 - Early in June, new Pac 12 commissioner George Kliavkoff told The Oregonian that he was “absolutely not” concerned about the Big Ten luring away some of its member schools. Then this:
USC to Make Historic Move to Big Ten Conference in 2024 - USC Athletics
USC will take the historic step of joining the Big Ten Conference in 2024, a move that will position USC and its student-athletes for long-term success in both athletics
usctrojans.com
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Yeah when MLS jumped into bed with Apple it was an all-in, this is the future, we are making an all-time worldwide bet here. For a youth-focused, future-focused, investment-focused organization.
For a regional league just trying to keep the dream of the 90's alive for blue haired donors and recruit's parents, it's a different viewpoint.
But how many can the Big 12 take?
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
You know what would be the dumbest outcome, and therefore probably the likeliest?
Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah join the B12, and then they decide (or the networks decide for them) there's no more room at the inn.
Washington and Oregon, with the eventual disintegration of the ACC being the last chance for there to be golden tickets handed out to the B1G/SEC, decide they might as well join the competition for them, and join the ACC.
The Atlantic Coast Conference: from Boston to Miami to Seattle.
Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah join the B12, and then they decide (or the networks decide for them) there's no more room at the inn.
Washington and Oregon, with the eventual disintegration of the ACC being the last chance for there to be golden tickets handed out to the B1G/SEC, decide they might as well join the competition for them, and join the ACC.
The Atlantic Coast Conference: from Boston to Miami to Seattle.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
I do think the remaining 3 of the 4 corners schools join the B12.
I also think oregon & UW hold out hope for B1G and eventually they get in
I don’t know what happens to Stanford . I think they end up screwed along with Cal , Ore St & Wazzu
I think UNC & Clemson & Fla St eventually come into the B1G . all have certain things to offer that make sense . ND ? I think they eventually come in the B1G as well
this is not what I want , as I think the B1G gets too big this way . A 24 team league is basically a self governing body . they partner up with SEC for basketball after the reg season and have their own tourney and keep all that money .
I liked the way it was in 1995 . but I’m old now (62) and don’t like most changes anymore
I also think oregon & UW hold out hope for B1G and eventually they get in
I don’t know what happens to Stanford . I think they end up screwed along with Cal , Ore St & Wazzu
I think UNC & Clemson & Fla St eventually come into the B1G . all have certain things to offer that make sense . ND ? I think they eventually come in the B1G as well
this is not what I want , as I think the B1G gets too big this way . A 24 team league is basically a self governing body . they partner up with SEC for basketball after the reg season and have their own tourney and keep all that money .
I liked the way it was in 1995 . but I’m old now (62) and don’t like most changes anymore
Not really seeing Oregon/Washington, the only thing that may have changed is the rumor that the B1G didn't go further because they didn't want to cause the demise of the Pac12 (which I don't buy). The thought has been posed that it would make travel better for USC/UCLA...but that hasn't changed since the USC/UCLA announcement & it makes things worse for all the current members.
My thought on this , is with every team we add the bar gets higher because we aren't changing the number of primetime TV spots, you add Oregon and or Washington & you push another game or 2 down a TV spot & that isn't what is making the B1G the big bucks.
I'm in the "its ND or bust" group...and just because I think that is what it will take to move the needle
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ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Not the same with the GOR, Rutgers has sold an option for the next few years. They could leave the B1G if they wanted & negotiate a better deal, if they could find one (granted they can't find a better deal & they will chose to stay, but they aren't locked in). Clemson is locked/long term with no good option out of GOR
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Yeah, even if we take the self-hating (dressed up as "realistic" or "grounded" or whatever
) attitude that Illinois does not bring a lot to this conference - a view I obviously find ridiculous - part of the reason the Big Ten is in such a good spot right now is our long-term stability. And I would argue that has been because of our equal revenue sharing ... I mean, just look at the conferences that tried to reward the "big dogs" like the Big XII did with Texas; it just never works. The Big Ten would really sully its reputation if it ever kicked out an existing member, not even considering whatever logistical/legal loopholes there would be to do so. Knock on wood and all, but Illinois is literally never getting kicked out of any conference, let alone as a founding member of the Big Ten.On a separate note, I have to think that Clemson is an overrated get. They have had an incredible run, but it has more of a feel of Baylor basketball or Virginia basketball or whatever, where a great coach has won there because a great coach can win anywhere. Obviously over time winning and increased revenues will start to intrinsically increase a school's value, but nobody would have seen Clemson as much more of a gem to get than Kansas State circa 2000. What do they look like under a new regime where they take a step back? They're by far the less popular team in a mid-sized state ... how many of their viewers are casuals turning in because Clemson is good and on TV and that would never watch a mediocre Clemson team?
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ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I agree about Clemson being slightly overrated as a get. They are a football powerhouse. But otherwise are their athletics top rate? That is a question. Academically they are not highly regarded. I personally would rather have FSU, however if it brings more television sets and ties up the SEC a little then maybe you take them. I would also like to see UNC in with ND.Yeah, even if we take the self-hating (dressed up as "realistic" or "grounded" or whatever
On a separate note, I have to think that Clemson is an overrated get. They have had an incredible run, but it has more of a feel of Baylor basketball or Virginia basketball or whatever, where a great coach has won there because a great coach can win anywhere. Obviously over time winning and increased revenues will start to intrinsically increase a school's value, but nobody would have seen Clemson as much more of a gem to get than Kansas State circa 2000. What do they look like under a new regime where they take a step back? They're by far the less popular team in a mid-sized state ... how many of their viewers are casuals turning in because Clemson is good and on TV and that would never watch a mediocre Clemson team?
I wonder if there is any chance to say to those schools (Clemson, FSU, UNC, Oregon and Washington) three of you are invited and then say to ND you can be the last school or you are out. If they say no, we pick one of those remaining schools or also offer Miami or Virginia the chance.
I still don't completely understand why some of the ACC doesn't leave the conference (isn't the fee $120M), pay the fee and then get a third of that in return for joining the Big Ten. I think each schools home games are ties up but are their away games.
Help me. I need some direction on some of the GOR rules are.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Hey, sustained winning raises any program's ceiling ... I'll go to bat all day that a "winning" Illinois has a higher ceiling than a "winning" Clemson.The Clemson version of Fighter of the Nightman:
I keep having this reoccurring dream where the B1G expands to 20 schools and then divides into two 10-team divisions, one of which is comprised of the ten members from 1992. Because honestly I never really did warm up to Penn State.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
It's very simple actually.
FSU and Clemson and whoever else are free to join whatever conference they like, whenever they like (dunno what the actual exit rules of the conference are)
But FSU and Clemson do not own the right to televise their home football and basketball games from now until 2036. Those rights are property of and are controlled by the ACC (thus "grant of rights) and have been sold to ESPN for that duration.
So FSU and Clemson are of no value to our TV partners, they would have nothing to offer until 2036, which is 6 years after the B1G TV deal ends, so not only do they not offer anything in this deal, they would offer nothing as the conference sought its NEXT deal. The value of schools is in the right to broadcast their games, and those are rights FSU and Clemson don't have.
The GOR was devised as a mechanism in the 2010's to keep teams from leaving conferences in the middle of media deals. It works for that purpose. Texas, Oklahoma and the SEC paid in full to purchase back the rights for one single year to get them to the SEC a year early (after all the savvy pundits swore up and down it would be easy and cheap to leave earlier than that). USC, UCLA and Colorado are staying for the duration of the Pac 12 deal.
Maybe a deal can be made to squeeze an ACC school out a year early. Shoot, maybe two years. Not 13 years. It isn't happening, and if it were worth even trying someone would have tried by now.
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Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
as far as I have ever known , your GOR only covers home games and you don’t have television rights to away games to “grant”
Hear, hear. I was having similar thoughts when I replied to that relegation scenario yesterday.
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