I think the ACC GOR keeps ACC intact & I think ESPN holding the ACC rights makes the B1G hard to envision for any ACC team in the near term. I really don’t see the FSU snub changing anything short term. Wait for the expanded playoffs & see where you stand. The ACC certainly got downgraded this year and it cost FSU a shot, but going forward it may turn out an easier path
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BZuppke
- Plainfield
Well who knows anything. Not many would predict the implosion of the PAC 12 a few years ago. I’m not sure what to think of the idea that an elite 30 or so schools would pull away after we keep expanding. If we look at the nfl - having a presence in every major market is key. So for those saying Illinois would be on some second tier - then there’s no elite program in the state of Illinois? Chicago market? I don’t think that would be the case.
I think it is unlikely that the two conferences will shed schools except for maybe NW and Vanderbilt as those small private schools clearly do not fit in.
I think it is unlikely that the two conferences will shed schools except for maybe NW and Vanderbilt as those small private schools clearly do not fit in.
Northwestern spending $800mm on a new stadium; I have no doubt the alumni will spend whatever more is needed to “fit in” with the big boys.
NCAA pitch: Let D-I schools pay athletes via NIL
NCAA president Charlie Baker has proposed rule changes that would allow Division I schools to enter into NIL deals directly with their athletes and create a trust fund at the richest tier of athletic departments.
It will be interesting to see if this passes. Definitely a step that athletes are employees. Also makes TV money of the big conference important
A Big Ten school could set 15 million aside and still make more than other conference schools. 7.5 million would go far in women’s sports you could have the top volleyball and women’s basketball programs. Probably not enough for football and men’s basketball still would need private entities to help out
Chicago State reportedly heading to the NEC.
Move is more to save the short term stability of the conference, especially when it comes to keeping their autobid for the NCAA tournament. That being said, the nearest NEC school is more than 500 miles away (Saint Francis) though travel has always something that has been commonplace for the Chicago State program.
Move is more to save the short term stability of the conference, especially when it comes to keeping their autobid for the NCAA tournament. That being said, the nearest NEC school is more than 500 miles away (Saint Francis) though travel has always something that has been commonplace for the Chicago State program.
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
Some of these NCAA types just can never figure out that us pro-playoff just wanted an FCS style playoff for FBS and they have a perfect model for this, just take the NCAA hoops tourney and make a 16 team version for football.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
FCS playoff is NCAA operated and not really at all about money
FBS playoff is not NCAA affiliated and is 100% about money, and money only .
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I was thinking about this today and figured I would post it ... football is obviously a way bigger draw throughout the season than basketball is, and that is the (only) reason it is driving conference expansion. More accurately, MONEY is driving conference expansion, and football represents a majority (but not the only, IMO) factor that determines how valuable a school is to a conference.
With that said ... why? Is it written in the stars? I honestly wonder if there is something "college basketball" (as if that is some unified organization, lol) could do to even the score a bit with football. Consider the TV ratings for last year's College Football Playoff:
22.45 million for Georgia vs. Ohio State in the CFP Semifinal
21.70 million for Michigan vs. TCU in the CFP Semifinal
17.22 million for Georgia vs. TCU in the National Championship
Now compare that to the Final Four last year:
17.7 million for North Carolina vs. Duke in the Final Four
17.1 million for Kansas vs. North Carolina in the National Championship
11.7 million for Kansas vs. Villanova in the Final Four
Just for some more comparisons from other years, consider these MUCH higher ratings for college hoops:
28.3 million for Duke vs. Wisconsin in the 2015 National Championship
23.9 million for Illinois vs. North Carolina in the 2005 National Championship
23.4 million for Louisville vs. Michigan in the 2013 National Championship
23.0 million for North Carolina vs. Gonzaga in the 2017 National Championship
It seems rather obvious that the "big time" college basketball events can draw at least as much as the big time college football events ... with having WAY more games per year, you would think that college hoops could somehow close the gap a bit here. Is it just that college basketball has to share the scene with both college football and/or the NFL until well into February? Our 2021 Big Ten Tournament championship game vs. Ohio State (the highest viewed game of that year) maxed out at over 6 million viewers ... that's more viewers than the following BOWL GAMES from last year:
5.8 million for Notre Dame vs. South Carolina in the Gator Bowl
5.4 million for Oklahoma vs. Florida State in the Orlando Bowl
4.8 million for Texas vs. Washington in the Alamo Bowl
4.2 million for USC vs. Tulane in the Cotton Bowl
Just some interesting food for thought on a slow Wednesday afternoon! I would be inclined to say that if School A and School B have relatively equal "football brand value" but School A gets great basketball ratings and School B is a non-starter ... a conference might legitimately consider basketball as "something that matters" for realignment.
With that said ... why? Is it written in the stars? I honestly wonder if there is something "college basketball" (as if that is some unified organization, lol) could do to even the score a bit with football. Consider the TV ratings for last year's College Football Playoff:
22.45 million for Georgia vs. Ohio State in the CFP Semifinal
21.70 million for Michigan vs. TCU in the CFP Semifinal
17.22 million for Georgia vs. TCU in the National Championship
Now compare that to the Final Four last year:
17.7 million for North Carolina vs. Duke in the Final Four
17.1 million for Kansas vs. North Carolina in the National Championship
11.7 million for Kansas vs. Villanova in the Final Four
Just for some more comparisons from other years, consider these MUCH higher ratings for college hoops:
28.3 million for Duke vs. Wisconsin in the 2015 National Championship
23.9 million for Illinois vs. North Carolina in the 2005 National Championship
23.4 million for Louisville vs. Michigan in the 2013 National Championship
23.0 million for North Carolina vs. Gonzaga in the 2017 National Championship
It seems rather obvious that the "big time" college basketball events can draw at least as much as the big time college football events ... with having WAY more games per year, you would think that college hoops could somehow close the gap a bit here. Is it just that college basketball has to share the scene with both college football and/or the NFL until well into February? Our 2021 Big Ten Tournament championship game vs. Ohio State (the highest viewed game of that year) maxed out at over 6 million viewers ... that's more viewers than the following BOWL GAMES from last year:
5.8 million for Notre Dame vs. South Carolina in the Gator Bowl
5.4 million for Oklahoma vs. Florida State in the Orlando Bowl
4.8 million for Texas vs. Washington in the Alamo Bowl
4.2 million for USC vs. Tulane in the Cotton Bowl
Just some interesting food for thought on a slow Wednesday afternoon! I would be inclined to say that if School A and School B have relatively equal "football brand value" but School A gets great basketball ratings and School B is a non-starter ... a conference might legitimately consider basketball as "something that matters" for realignment.
We will be fine. We have Bret and will play at most... maybe 3 of these teams in a given season?
It’s inevitable that realignment will start to favor basketball more, at some point. The P5(4,3,2?) haven’t figured out how to efficiently extract a bigger piece of potential basketball revenue yet, but when they do schools like Kansas - or even us - will become significantly more valuable in a the next round.
MDchicago
- Lake Norman NC
I understand the money perspective and would make sense. However going forward the ACC champ will be in the playoffs. You keep adding good programs in they will turn into Nebraska or at best PSU.
FSU is in a position to take over the ACC again their biggest threat Louisville and Clemson?
IlliniSaluki
- IL metro east burbs of St. Louis
And that still won't get FSU the money they feel they deserve they should be making off media rights deals. The only way they get that money is by moving to the SEC or B1G. I still think eventually this all leads to the SEC/B1G getting to 20-24 schools each and going to a full NFL style two conference setup leaving the rest out of their playoffs.
Joel Goodson
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not citing this guy as the authority, but he knows stuff:
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Extra Points on why Lindenwood cut so many sports so shortly after moving to D-I: https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/lindenwood-just-cut-many-sports
Illinir1
- Camdenton, MO
Assuming the information is accurate, Illinois football viewership is very disappointing, especially when you consider some of the teams that were ahead of us and the comparative populations of the states (e.g. Rutgers, Indiana (really???), Minnesota, Iowa State, etc.). We'll gladly welcome the rest of Illinois onto the bandwagon when Brett builds consistency and winning records.
Joel Goodson
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my current take is that the BIG (and Fox) are going to take FSU as a stand alone. Miami and UNC may have leapfrogged Clemson in desirability. FWLIW, I'm ok with that.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
correct . there is no equalizer for
who your opponent is ,
what time slot your game is in,
or
what network it is on
-- all or huge variables on ratings
Anyone else notice that chart has is as "Illionis"?
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
This is pure rumor but MHver >>>> Genetics.
BTW,
1. TKO is the parent company of UFC and WWE
2. The comments (not MHver) are already suggesting the Saudis.
BZuppke
- Plainfield
I don’t like it but this is where it is headed.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
Private equity in college sports. Cool.
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
Well they do it indirectly anyway, sucks either way.
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