Cubs 2022 Season

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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
They better hope they do, attendance is down 6k/game since 2019. Cubs fans aren't nearly as forgiving as we once were.
It's kind of amazing attendance has been as good as it has been given how aggressively the team has been alienating its fanbase in the past couple of years.

But I'm actually semi-bullish on the immediate term future. If they can find a star or two, the level of organizational depth in MLB and in the upper minors has progressed very well this season. You'd be able to offer a Carlos Correa or a Xander Bogaerts a lot of help.
 
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They better hope they do, attendance is down 6k/game since 2019. Cubs fans aren't nearly as forgiving as we once were.
I was at the game last Saturday. The crowd in the park seemed as big as usual, but it didn’t seem like there were as many people hanging around before and after the game. Weird for a sunny Saturday in August.

Probably not good news for ownership considering the Ricketts’ investment in the surrounding neighborhood.
 
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I was at the game last Saturday. The crowd in the park seemed as big as usual, but it didn’t seem like there were as many people hanging around before and after the game. Weird for a sunny Saturday in August.

Probably not good news for ownership considering the Ricketts’ investment in the surrounding neighborhood.
If only every bar in a 2 block radius hadn't got together and collectively decided to charge $8+ for a "cheap" light beer. Cubby bear, Bernies, Murphys, Sluggers are all more fun when they are cheap dives. Alas, I'll stick to going north on Clark and back toward Southport/Ashland.
 
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It's kind of amazing attendance has been as good as it has been given how aggressively the team has been alienating its fanbase in the past couple of years.

But I'm actually semi-bullish on the immediate term future. If they can find a star or two, the level of organizational depth in MLB and in the upper minors has progressed very well this season. You'd be able to offer a Carlos Correa or a Xander Bogaerts a lot of help.
I understand what you mean, but I don't feel like realistic people should feel alienated. Regression killed our core, not ownership. None of the Baez, Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber cohort is playing up to their contract. (Bryant has barely played, period) The front office kind of lucked out that none of them took the contracts they were offered.

We'd still be bad, but would have no flexibility to sign good players this offseason. At least we know where we are. The alternative was continuing to rob the farm in an attempt to compete with guys we are paying for past performance, and hoping they can get back to hitting their weight.
 
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I understand what you mean, but I don't feel like realistic people should feel alienated. Regression killed our core, not ownership. None of the Baez, Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber cohort is playing up to their contract. (Bryant has barely played, period) The front office kind of lucked out that none of them took the contracts they were offered.

We'd still be bad, but would have no flexibility to sign good players this offseason. At least we know where we are. The alternative was continuing to rob the farm in an attempt to compete with guys we are paying for past performance, and hoping they can get back to hitting their weight.
I think the average cost of a family of 4 going to a game being the 2nd most in baseball plays as big of a part in the alienation of our fanbase. All while our spending on the team is middle of the pack currently. And don't even get me started on Marquee Network...
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I understand what you mean, but I don't feel like realistic people should feel alienated.
I mean, let's be fair here. They nuked the entire core of their first World Series champion in 108 years, this isn't your average buy/sell decision. And the Cubs aren't every other team in terms of revenue or the prices they ask their fans to pay, nor the amount of attention that has gone to wringing money from the area around the ballpark, or from their new TV network.

For the opening day roster to be as much of a white flag as it was this year was pretty remarkable.
Regression killed our core, not ownership. None of the Baez, Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber cohort is playing up to their contract. (Bryant has barely played, period) The front office kind of lucked out that none of them took the contracts they were offered.
Meh, I'd happily acquire Rizzo or Schwarber's contracts as an addition to this team this offseason (or Darvish's for that matter). The idea that that was a worthless bunch of players was wrong then and wrong now.

We'd still be bad, but would have no flexibility to sign good players this offseason. At least we know where we are. The alternative was continuing to rob the farm in an attempt to compete with guys we are paying for past performance, and hoping they can get back to hitting their weight.
It's good news that the return, particularly for those three team legends that got shockingly thrown in the dumpster at the deadline last year, has to this point looked pretty darned good and better than was initially apparent (Pete Crow Armstrong for two months of Javy Baez in particular looks like a swindle a year out). Combined with additional positive player development and I agree, there should be good financial flexibility to be ambitious this winter, here's hoping.
 
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bdutts

Houston, Texas
If only every bar in a 2 block radius hadn't got together and collectively decided to charge $8+ for a "cheap" light beer. Cubby bear, Bernies, Murphys, Sluggers are all more fun when they are cheap dives. Alas, I'll stick to going north on Clark and back toward Southport/Ashland.
That's what I used to do back in the late 90s and early 2000s.
 
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[ W ] #46

Field of Dreams win!

Fun fact, when I worked at the University of Iowa (now a Gopher, as I apparently avoid all non-UI jobs), I found my dog at a farm in Dyersville, IA.
 
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Minuscule sample sizes, obviously, but Madrigal and Reyes have both been quite good since coming off the IL and being released by Cleveland respectively.

Both guys whose track records would indicate that they should be much better than what they’ve shown this season. Hopefully they can get on track and be contributors next season.
 
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bdutts

Houston, Texas
There is an interesting article on ESPN+ (pay) on rebuilding and how effective the different methods are for rebuilding (full on tear down or adding a piece or two while rebuilding the farm system). The conclusion was that adding a piece or two while rebuilding the farm system gets the team into contention faster (meaning, playoffs) but full tear down results in more Championships. It's too long an article to copy and paste but if you have ESPN+, check it out.
 
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bdutts

Houston, Texas
Minuscule sample sizes, obviously, but Madrigal and Reyes have both been quite good since coming off the IL and being released by Cleveland respectively.

Both guys whose track records would indicate that they should be much better than what they’ve shown this season. Hopefully they can get on track and be contributors next season.
I don't know much about Reyes but he seems like a Patrick Wisdom type where he hits a lot of HRs but strikes out a ton. He may be better but I'm not sure what to expect from him. Madrigal, on the other hand, has hit wherever he has been so it's good to see him getting going. I would expect him to be closer to .300 when he's on and healthy.
 
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I don't know much about Reyes but he seems like a Patrick Wisdom type where he hits a lot of HRs but strikes out a ton. He may be better but I'm not sure what to expect from him. Madrigal, on the other hand, has hit wherever he has been so it's good to see him getting going. I would expect him to be closer to .300 when he's on and healthy.
Reyes hits for a much higher average and a much lower K% than Wisdom. He’s only 26 and already has 2 30-HR seasons. He was having a bad year for Cleveland this year, but it’s legitimately shocking that he became available for nothing.

He can’t field and should spend the majority of his time at the DH, but he is a real, legitimate DH. 2 more years of team control past this year, you can probably write his name in pen in the DH slot of the lineup for quite some time going forward.

And he’s been crushing the ball since he came to the Cubs.

BTW, The Cubs are 27-27 over their last 54. 54 games is exactly 1/3 of a season.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Reyes hits for a much higher average and a much lower K% than Wisdom. He’s only 26 and already has 2 30-HR seasons. He was having a bad year for Cleveland this year, but it’s legitimately shocking that he became available for nothing.

He can’t field and should spend the majority of his time at the DH, but he is a real, legitimate DH. 2 more years of team control past this year, you can probably write his name in pen in the DH slot of the lineup for quite some time going forward.

And he’s been crushing the ball since he came to the Cubs.

BTW, The Cubs are 27-27 over their last 54. 54 games is exactly 1/3 of a season.
I can't help but feel a bit of optimism about where this is headed.

You add a big bat and a front of the rotation starter (both of which are highly available this winter for the right price), and you may have something here.

And superstars aren't bubbling up through the system, but really good depth of major league quality pieces are. Should provide a lot of flexibility going forward.
 
#291      

bdutts

Houston, Texas
I can't help but feel a bit of optimism about where this is headed.

You add a big bat and a front of the rotation starter (both of which are highly available this winter for the right price), and you may have something here.

And superstars aren't bubbling up through the system, but really good depth of major league quality pieces are. Should provide a lot of flexibility going forward.
Which big bat 1) Should they get and 2) Do you think they'll get?
 
#292      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Which big bat 1) Should they get and 2) Do you think they'll get?
Everybody seems to think they're favorites for Carlos Correa and that would certainly boost the lineup significantly.

One of the big four free agent shortstops of Correa, Bogaerts, Turner and Swanson ought to be a Cub.
 
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Which big bat 1) Should they get and 2) Do you think they'll get?
Turner should be the top priority IMO. He's been extremely consistent, always in the batting title conversation, led the league in hits 3 times, led the league in stolen bases twice, solid defender... I have a hard time believing the Dodgers will let him get away, but they are paying a ton of money to a bunch of guys. At some point they have to say enough is enough, right?.... Maybe?

After that:

Bogaerts
Correa
Swanson

No wrong answers really. All have World Series rings, and we will need that kind of experience in the locker room.

Aaron Judge is a fun one to think about, but he's going to get stupid money, probably from the Yankees.

The Starting Pitching FA class looks kind of... old... They're going to have to get creative. Fortunately, Steele and Thompson look like guys who can give us a chance to win more often than not. Who would have had them as solid rotation pieces going into the season?

Stroman and Hendricks are solid, more often than not. Like to see Alzolay get healthy...Smyly has been good when healthy, he's just rarely healthy.
 
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I don't know much about Reyes but he seems like a Patrick Wisdom type where he hits a lot of HRs but strikes out a ton. He may be better but I'm not sure what to expect from him. Madrigal, on the other hand, has hit wherever he has been so it's good to see him getting going. I would expect him to be closer to .300 when he's on and healthy.
Wisdom = Kingman?
 
#298      
Not a bad comp. Kingman's averages are a tad better in most categories.

K% for Wisdom is just awful. (nearly 37% for his career; down to 33% this season... progress? LOL) (Kingman's K% was about 25%)
Didn't realize that Kingman's K rate was that low. Seems when I watched he was either K'ing or hitting a HR
 
#299      

Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
I was a high school senior in 1979.
1979 Cubs were the Little Blue Machine. Sox were the South Side Hitmen
fun year

when Kong hit a dinger, it was often to the far side of Waveland. 425 foot shots were common
 
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Didn't realize that Kingman's K rate was that low. Seems when I watched he was either K'ing or hitting a HR
It was a different game back then. Kingman led the League with 131 Ks in 1979.

There are 7 guys with at least that many Ks right now and we still have approx 45 games left in the season.
 
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