Cubs 2023 Season

#151      
MLB is going to need to do something along the lines of the NFL to balance out payroll , or the same 10 out of 12 teams will make the playoffs every year
The relationship between spending and success in MLB is actually pretty loose.

And remember, 90 cents of every dollar the Mets just promised to Carlos Correa are being pooled and given to smaller market teams.

MLB doesn't have a parity problem. MLB has a tanking problem. (Plus a Pirates and A's ownership problem)
 
#152      

Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
meh, there are about 15 teams in MLB that will NEVER win their division. ( okay, translate NEVER to like 1% chance )

define the reasons or causes any way you want, but its terrible for MLB as a whole.
 
#153      
meh, there are about 15 teams in MLB that will NEVER win their division. ( okay, translate NEVER to like 1% chance )

define the reasons or causes any way you want, but its terrible for MLB as a whole.
Since 2014 there are only 8 teams who have not won their division and two of them are the Phillies and the Padres who have payrolls #3 and #4 in all of baseball.

All 30 teams have made the playoffs since 2014.
 
#155      
yea, but times are changing these days
Yeah, the playoffs got expanded so more teams make it now.

The Mets and Padres are not going to blot out the sun of MLB success, I promise.

What they are in fact going to do is hand the Royals and Reds and Marlins a revenue sharing check big enough to give them an opportunity to succeed.
 
#159      
Tucker Barnhart and Drew Smyly both sign today.

We’re getting pretty close to the team we’re going to see in Spring Training.

I still expect to add a reliever and to trade away someone on the bottom of the roster. I still want another bat. Not sure I’m going to get it though.
 
#160      

KBLEE

Montgomery, IL
Trevor Bauer was reinstated by MLB. The Dodgers are expected to release him. Any chance the Cubs take the P.R. hit and sign him?
 
#164      
Jed has started his annual rifling through the bargain bin for relief pitchers, which he’s been really good at.

The Cubs have picked up Nick Neidert, Anthony Kay and Roenis Elías over the last 48 hours or so. Expect a few more. At least one of these guys will be an impact pen arm.
 
#167      
Jed has started his annual rifling through the bargain bin for relief pitchers, which he’s been really good at.

The Cubs have picked up Nick Neidert, Anthony Kay and Roenis Elías over the last 48 hours or so. Expect a few more. At least one of these guys will be an impact pen arm.
Hope springs eternal at this time of year. Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays everyone.
 
#170      
Or since Hosmer is above average at first defensively, Mervis (and Wisdom?) alternate lefty/righty at DH ?
Right.

The Cubs really don’t have an everyday DH. So a Hosmer signing doesn’t take any at bats away from Mervis.

Hosmer is likely a better defensive 1B than Mervis. So he plays the field most days and Mervis concentrates on his bat.

Hosmer is a bit underrated due to his not living up to the massive contract he signed with the Padres. He’s been consistently a league average offensive first baseman who still has a pretty good glove.

He’s basically a free player for the Cubs to pick up, as the Padres are still on the hook for his contract. (Like Heyward with the Cubs.) No risk. If he’s bad, you can cut him at no additional cost. But it looks like he’d add a nice floor to the Cubs’ 1B/DH position which had been a big question mark.

Overall, you go around the diamond and the Cubs are “fine” at every position. They’re completely absent of star power, but have an actual MLB player everywhere. They’ll play great defense, won’t be a black hole in any spot in the lineup, and will consistently give you quality pitching starts. I’d like to see more depth in the pen, which is something every fan of every baseball team can say.

Hoerner or Swanson being injured for a significant amount of time would be a disaster. The bullpen might take some time to come together. No elite hitters means the offense is going to be shut down against elite pitching. I could see them eke into the playoffs with 84 wins and then go scoreless in two games.
 
#171      
Right.

The Cubs really don’t have an everyday DH. So a Hosmer signing doesn’t take any at bats away from Mervis.

Hosmer is likely a better defensive 1B than Mervis. So he plays the field most days and Mervis concentrates on his bat.

Hosmer is a bit underrated due to his not living up to the massive contract he signed with the Padres. He’s been consistently a league average offensive first baseman who still has a pretty good glove.

He’s basically a free player for the Cubs to pick up, as the Padres are still on the hook for his contract. (Like Heyward with the Cubs.) No risk. If he’s bad, you can cut him at no additional cost. But it looks like he’d add a nice floor to the Cubs’ 1B/DH position which had been a big question mark.

Overall, you go around the diamond and the Cubs are “fine” at every position. They’re completely absent of star power, but have an actual MLB player everywhere. They’ll play great defense, won’t be a black hole in any spot in the lineup, and will consistently give you quality pitching starts. I’d like to see more depth in the pen, which is something every fan of every baseball team can say.

Hoerner or Swanson being injured for a significant amount of time would be a disaster. The bullpen might take some time to come together. No elite hitters means the offense is going to be shut down against elite pitching. I could see them eke into the playoffs with 84 wins and then go scoreless in two games.
The overarching idea here seems to be getting to around the playoff line in a way that's new-rules compatible (Hosmer is a big shift victim), friendly to integrating prospects, and retaining a lot of payroll flexibility going forward.

Base camp for the journey, if you like.

I'm more or less okay with that for now. I tend to take the over on the amount the new rules are going to change the game and thus player evaluations, so I tend to see the wisdom in retaining a bit of flexibility. I may be overestimating that though, we'll see.
 
#172      
The Cubs will say they’re spending money now, and I guess that’s basically true.

They’re spending more than the last couple years, but are still $40-50 million under the luxury threshold and outside the top 10 in payroll. They have about $90 million in salary coming off the books next year assuming Stroman opts out (which he will if he has any sort of season at all).

We can try to tell ourselves that the Cubs going conservative while the rest of baseball goes on a spending spree must mean that Jed knows something that everyone else doesn’t. He’s zigging when everyone else is zagging. He’s Moneyball-ing it with defensive players and control pitching when everyone else is spending on power bats and power arms, etc.

Problem is, I have no evidence Hoyer has ever been the smartest guy in the room when it comes to baseball. His list of accomplishments when he hasn’t been lashed directly to Theo’s hip are minimal.

He may very well prove me wrong. In five years we all may be breathing great sighs of relief that the Cubs aren’t saddled with “one of those contracts” as other teams are desperately Bobby Bonilla-ing former stars. But I really don’t have any reason to believe this will be the case. More likely we’re going to see a slew of Hall of Fame induction ceremonies in the late 2030s consisting entirely of guys who were free agents the Cubs decided not to pursue.
 
#173      
This is a depressing thread, central Illinois, why didn't i pick the Cardinals to root for as a kid?

oh yeah, first team I remember following was the 69 cubs...should have learned my lesson that year
It is kinda sad…. I was 7 in 69. I had a little transistor radio that I would listen to da Cubbies on. My Dad (who was a White Sox fan) would catch me on school nights and beat my bottom….
Now, my beatings are mentally as I watch a team (management) that’s not even pretending to compete.
And I still watch :(
 
#174      
It is kinda sad…. I was 7 in 69. I had a little transistor radio that I would listen to da Cubbies on. My Dad (who was a White Sox fan) would catch me on school nights and beat my bottom….
Now, my beatings are mentally as I watch a team (management) that’s not even pretending to compete.
And I still watch :(
I still think you did much better sticking to your guns than if you listened to your dad. The beatings might have been worth it.
 
#175      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
It is kinda sad…. I was 7 in 69. I had a little transistor radio that I would listen to da Cubbies on. My Dad (who was a White Sox fan) would catch me on school nights and beat my bottom….
Now, my beatings are mentally as I watch a team (management) that’s not even pretending to compete.
And I still watch :(
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