hooraybeer
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hooraybeer
- Pittsburgh, PA
another side note (hopefully more accurate): Jawun wore Nike in summer league. so idk what it all means
I have no idea what rep Evans had or what BU knew about him. At this point, though, there is nothing that even hints that BU knew Evans was involved in anything illegal. Might he have known? Investing energy into that speculation right now is pointless. I'd hazard to guess that Whitman has already had a frank discussion with the entire staff. My biggest concern is if recruits fear he may be implicated and that it affects this year's recruiting class. You can bet the staff and Whitman will address the concerns with every recruit and their parents.
sdfidaho
- Boise, Idaho
No matter the outcome for Illini basketball, I welcome this day. It has been too long coming!
The tax man is here, and there are bills to be oaid
Kansas had a player on its last Nat Champ team that shouldn’t have been eligible. After their previous Nat Champ they went on probation immediately for recruiting violations.
UCLA’s dynasty years were constructed on a booster paying players. Their rise back to prominence was tripped up by Jim Harrick’s malfeasance.
Kentucky has a long, sordid history of NCAA scandals.
UNC rigged an entire major to keep its basketball players from flunking out.
And we mentioned Duke’s frequent toing of the line up thread.
Indiana under Crean had some sketchy relationships with basketball academies and foreign recruits.
Louisville is right behind these schools in terms of being a basketball blueblood and has been the slimiest of the slimy recently.
So i’m not sure where any notion of the bluebloods not cheating comes from.
UCLA’s dynasty years were constructed on a booster paying players. Their rise back to prominence was tripped up by Jim Harrick’s malfeasance.
Kentucky has a long, sordid history of NCAA scandals.
UNC rigged an entire major to keep its basketball players from flunking out.
And we mentioned Duke’s frequent toing of the line up thread.
Indiana under Crean had some sketchy relationships with basketball academies and foreign recruits.
Louisville is right behind these schools in terms of being a basketball blueblood and has been the slimiest of the slimy recently.
So i’m not sure where any notion of the bluebloods not cheating comes from.
Having Bowen would benefit Louisville. Having Jawun Evans steered to an agent and leave early would not benefit OSU.
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Also a bit overlooked-huge, huge break for the program that he did stay at OSU. Otherwise one of our assistants gets arrested today by the FBI for fraud and all the devastation that comes with that, and BU pushed for him hard.
This makes no sense. You are saying that the most successful programs got to where they are by cheating, but then became clean once they arrived. That's like saying a corrupt politician will make shady deals during a campaign but then become honest once he is elected.
Once you have a culture of boosters, agents, assistant coaches and recruits doing shady deals, that will most-likely need to continue in order to keep it going.
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Sure it does. If a program or coach can show a history of putting kids in the NBA as a one and done vs a history of students staying four years and graduating, kids are more likely to go and play as a likely one and done. This is UK's business model.
Most people try and go to the best school to get them into their desired profession. If I want to be a NBA player, I'm going to go to a school that creates NBAers.
The best blue bloods don't have to have coaching staffs involved. It's all about plausible deniability. They just need an active booster network, and they take it from there.
Jawun Evans was a 2 and done, but I get your point. Still think FBI findings of "paying off a recruit" will be viewed differently than an agent bribe.
Now I wish FBI would next step over to DC and bug the lobbyist calls to congressional staffers,...but I digress.
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afpharmdawg
- Colorado Springs
With regards to BU and making a statement, I don't believe he should. Say I have a friend who is a criminal like a cat burglar and I am unaware, then the friend gets caught. What do I have to worry about if I am not a criminal. I may have people ask me if I know, but I did nothing wrong so why would I make a statement? Even politicians have friends or acquaintances who are crooks and say nothing when that person gets caught. Evans worked for BU for one year and with for a few others. BU very well have not known. Keep quiet and when he holds a press conference for other reasons then deny if he is innocent.
My guess is that the FBI won't be able to do squat about the payoffs that recruits are getting. I'm not sure if they would have probable cause to justify getting the IRS involved to audit the recruits and their families. That's a question for someone who actually knows the law.
The only law clearly broken by the recruits is income tax evasion, assuming none of them are stupid enough to actually put down that income as reported earnings.
My fear is that this whole investigation will just cause coaches to become hands off of the shady side of recruiting and just let boosters take care of all of it behind the scenes, which is what a lot of schools do now.
EfremWinters84
- S. Carolina
Wow -- Exceptional point!
I can't even imagine having our ILLINOIS name in this story. Sure hope it doesn't come to that.
Which is cheating. Just like Chris Carter said, you have to have a fall guy, but you can bet the coaches know what is going on most of the time. It doesn't matter who funnels the money to the AAU coaches, agents, families and/or players, it still equals a dirty program. It was like when Bill Self called up a booster and "suggested" that he make a donation to the AAU program run by Shaun Livingston's AAU coach and godfather. Illinois got a secondary violation for that.
Since we are not mentioned, seems we are not going to say anything about anything, like it never happened.:suspicious:
99% of kids that make it to NBA wouldve made it no matter where they went.
Wow. A lot of speculation on this thread. Based on what has been revealed so far this should have no impact on Underwood. As far as I read Evans took money to steer players toward an agent. The allegations do not state that he paid players or recruits. It states he talked about possible money for future recruits but did not indicate he received it. If he did not pay players or recruits it would seem that Underwood would be okay. OSU might be okay as well seeing as though they did not benefit from Evans receiving bribes. If he did pay players things get murkier.
I also agree this is just the beginning. These guys will talk and there is no telling who they will take down with them.
I also agree this is just the beginning. These guys will talk and there is no telling who they will take down with them.
You do not have to be a lawyer to just read the federal indictments and the federal charges and felonies brought upon the accused individuals (page one lists them). The FBI has already charged them, this is not a case that that the only law broken is tax evasion. There are specific federal charges, and federal prosecutors do not need the IRS to audit.
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The news today is BIG and before it is over it will get a lot bigger. This isn't some namby pamby, wink wink NCAA investigation - it's the Feds. They will use all of their resources and apply legal pressure to flip anyone involved into a cooperating witness. Even though the people arrested today were only assistant coaches, you know that the head coaches above them are sweating bullets because they know those guys will roll over to avoid jail time. And the statement about "you better come talk to us before we come to you" will uncover even more dirt because a one-year sentence looks a whole lot better than a 20-year sentence. According to reports I've read, today college coaches were calling emergency staff meetings and coaches at all levels were consulting with attorneys. These coaches know that they may soon be answering questions from FBI investigators, where a single lie is a felony.
As one reporter said "Tuesday was Armageddon for college basketball. Tomorrow and the tomorrow after that and the tomorrow after that promise to be worse."
As one reporter said "Tuesday was Armageddon for college basketball. Tomorrow and the tomorrow after that and the tomorrow after that promise to be worse."
yep...and this:
“Our investigation is ongoing,” FBI assistant director Bill Sweeney warned. “And we are currently conducting interviews.”
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I agree, the FBI has already charged them with serious felonies that carry stiff penalties. This is not a case of "they could only charge them with tax evasion" etc. They have already charged them with serious crimes. There are definitely people and coaches sweating on multiple campuses.
Indeed, this is not a namby pamby, camby NCAA investigtation.
I have zero knowledge on the subject, but I'd be surprised if Coach K ever even thinks about getting a player's mom a job. I'd think some booster would take care of it without a word from Coach K.
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I agree, the FBI has already charged them with serious felonies that carry stiff penalties. This is not a case of "they could only charge them with tax evasion" etc. They have already charged them with serious crimes. There are definitely people and coaches sweating on multiple campuses.
Indeed, this is not a namby pamby, camby NCAA investigtation.
Agreed. Up to 80 years is not chump time. And college coaches are not Gotti gang members who brag about doing time standing on their head. They'll talk like magpies and tell everything they know. It's going to be a very interesting time ahead.
Here's a good article with nice diagrams. Sean Miller has probably sweated through his entire wardrobe today, being as he is notorious for sweating during tense games.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...l-fraud-scheme-only-just-beginning/705183001/
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