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Tremendous sense, especially considering that OK State is also Nike and South Carolina is Under Armour.
oops. thought OkSt was adidas disregard
Tremendous sense, especially considering that OK State is also Nike and South Carolina is Under Armour.
me too. If Evans had that kind of rep, remember BU hired him once and tried to hire him a second time.
I wish I were as confident as you
Having Bowen would benefit Louisville. Having Jawun Evans steered to an agent and leave early would not benefit OSU.Summary of Jay Bilas' opinion: if the benefit went to the school (e.g., getting a recruit) then the NCAA might go after the school. If no benefit went to the school (e.g., assistant pockets a kickback) then the NCAA is not likely to go after the school.
might explain why Evans didn't follow BU from OKSt. We are a Nike school, and if his guy$ were all with adidas, it makes sense
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Thanks for the visit, Lefty. Agree that the bluest of the bluebloods are able to sell themselves (though I'm sure they got their hands dirty in the process of reaching their lofty status) ... underneath that, it's a rat race.
Having Bowen would benefit Louisville. Having Jawun Evans steered to an agent and leave early would not benefit OSU.
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This makes no sense. You are saying that the most successful programs got to where they are by cheating, but then get clean once they have arrived. That's like saying a corrupt politician will make shady deals during a campaign but then become honest once he is elected.
Once you have a culture of boosters, agents, assistant coaches and recruits doing shady deals, that will most-likely continue in order to keep it going.
Jawun Evans was a 2 and done, but I get your point. Still think FBI findings of "paying off a recruit" will be viewed differently than an agent bribe.Sure it does. If a program or coach can show a history of putting kids in the NBA as a one and done vs a history of students staying four years and graduating, kids are more likely to go and play as a likely one and done. This is UK's business model.
Most people try and go to the best school to get them into their desired profession. If I want to be a NBA player, I'm going to go to a school that creates NBAers.
Jawun Evans was a 2 and done, but I get your point. Still think FBI findings of "paying off a recruit" will be viewed differently than an agent bribe.
Now I wish FBI would next step over to DC and bug the lobbyist calls to congressional staffers,...but I digress.
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Wow -- Exceptional point!Also a bit overlooked-huge, huge break for the program that he did stay at OSU. Otherwise one of our assistants gets arrested today by the FBI for fraud and all the devastation that comes with that, and BU pushed for him hard.
The best blue bloods don't have to have coaching staffs involved. It's all about plausible deniability. They just need an active booster network, and they take it from there.
Wow -- Exceptional point!
I can't even imagine having our ILLINOIS name in this story. Sure hope it doesn't come to that.
Sure it does. If a program or coach can show a history of putting kids in the NBA as a one and done vs a history of students staying four years and graduating, kids are more likely to go and play as a likely one and done. This is UK's business model.
Most people try and go to the best school to get them into their desired profession. If I want to be a NBA player, I'm going to go to a school that creates NBAers.
My guess is that the FBI won't be able to do squat about the payoffs that recruits are getting. I'm not sure if they would have probable cause to justify getting the IRS involved to audit the recruits and their families. That's a question for someone who actually knows the law.
The only law clearly broken by the recruits is income tax evasion, assuming none of them are stupid enough to actually put down that income as reported earnings.
My fear is that this whole investigation will just cause coaches to become hands off of the shady side of recruiting and just let boosters take care of all of it behind the scenes, which is what a lot of schools do now.
yep...and this:The news today is BIG and before it is over it will get a lot bigger. This isn't some namby pamby, wink wink NCAA investigation - it's the Feds. They will use all of their resources and apply legal pressure to flip anyone involved into a cooperating witness. Even though the people arrested today were only assistant coaches, you know that the head coaches above them are sweating bullets because they know those guys will roll over to avoid jail time. And the statement about "you better come talk to us before we come to you" will uncover even more dirt because a one-year sentence looks a whole lot better than a 20-year sentence. According to reports I've read, today college coaches were calling emergency staff meetings and coaches at all levels were consulting with attorneys. These coaches know that they may soon be answering questions from FBI investigators, where a single lie is a felony.
As one reporter said "Tuesday was Armageddon for college basketball. Tomorrow and the tomorrow after that and the tomorrow after that promise to be worse."
The news today is BIG and before it is over it will get a lot bigger. This isn't some namby pamby, wink wink NCAA investigation - it's the Feds. They will use all of their resources and apply legal pressure to flip anyone involved into a cooperating witness. Even though the people arrested today were only assistant coaches, you know that the head coaches above them are sweating bullets because they know those guys will roll over to avoid jail time. And the statement about "you better come talk to us before we come to you" will uncover even more dirt because a one-year sentence looks a whole lot better than a 20-year sentence. According to reports I've read, today college coaches were calling emergency staff meetings and coaches at all levels were consulting with attorneys. These coaches know that they may soon be answering questions from FBI investigators, where a single lie is a felony.
As one reporter said "Tuesday was Armageddon for college basketball. Tomorrow and the tomorrow after that and the tomorrow after that promise to be worse."
Coach K habitually gets his players’ moms hired on at the school and funnels his players into easier majors. He might not be swimming in Pitino levels of slime, but he’s hardly squeaky clean at all.
I agree, the FBI has already charged them with serious felonies that carry stiff penalties. This is not a case of "they could only charge them with tax evasion" etc. They have already charged them with serious crimes. There are definitely people and coaches sweating on multiple campuses.
Indeed, this is not a namby pamby, camby NCAA investigtation.