FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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miketherevelator said:
Good article.
Why FBI Needed To Keep NCAA In The Dark On Its College Basketball Investigation
http://www.thepostgame.com/fbi-college-basketball-recruiting-arrests-ncaa-emmert

but Don Walken isn't buying the last bit about Izzo and Beilein, ND, NW and PSU.

Dan Wolken‏Verified account @DanWolken 34m34 minutes ago
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John you have been around far too long to start putting white hats on people.

Dan Wolken‏Verified account @DanWolken 34m34 minutes ago
That we still have serious people doing the "these are the guys who do it right" thing means there is very little hope in college sports.

HAH - just read Bacon's bio. Teaches at NW and UM. Figures.
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I thought it was pretty good except I thought the following was a head-scratcher...

"And, for all the cynicism, I've seen above-board college athletics done too well too often not to believe it can be done nationwide, having researched the student-athletes at Penn State, Michigan, Northwestern and Notre Dame, among others, for my books."

In the past, didn't Penn State have a problem with sexual abuse of children? Michigan with payments to some of the Fab Five? Northwestern in a point shaving scandal. And Digger and Lou Holtz?
 
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I have always thought this was a good idea. But recently I am questioning what that would actually mean. If the NBA does this, they would need to seriously upgrade how they do the G league. And that would most likely be more $$ for guys in that league to keep them around to be developed. I'm guessing a lot of talent would roll the dice on going pro and making money, rather then College and not getting paid. Careful what we wish for I guess.
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MLB I believe does the big money in the initial contract, signing bonus for stars only. Most minor leaguers don't make much money.

Due to the anticipated volume of players in the minor of the NBA, if this were to happen, the cost would go up. However, I don't think it would be prohibitive, such as everyone getting millions of dollars.
 
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IlliniJim20 said:
I'm no lawyer, but pretty sure Title IX is (among other things) about gender equity. Paying men and not women will not fly. Revenue aspect of that is irrelevant wrt to the law.
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Pay the same percentage of revenue generated. Takes care of itself.
 
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ATL Chief said:
How about we let them but the money stays in a trust and is only accessible after graduation.
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This is probably the easiest and simpliest solution. Better yet, literally just give these kids 401 k's or any equivalent retirement fund, put the max amount in every year they play in college. You'd be doing them the best service possible. Force them to take out of school classes about preparing for the future and retirement.

TBH, any kid that goes to college should be forced by the university to take a class on retirement and planning for the future. Going from (at max) 20k a year to 60k+ is a huge jump that most aren't ready for. The only reason I knew how to manage money straight out of college was because of my father. Actually do something good for these kids instead of throwing money at them.
 
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kcib8130 said:
I agree with this, but i think the best point of exposure is going to be in College basketball. Unless you get the NBA network, you don't have access to D-League games. but how many channels carry college basketball? I count 3 (ESPN, BTN, FSN) carrying Illinois games this year.

I also think the signing bonus would carry some weight for people as well, and i think you could increase that with a year of college. I believe that was a part of the reason for the one-and-done rule, to protect the NBA's money somewhat in that regard.

Like I said, I think the D-League COULD be that, but its got a long way to go.
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Really simple options for kids out of school :
Try D-League, Go overseas, Go to College. Mickey-Ds.

Each has its own pros/cons. If you want to make money now and are good enough - go pro somewhere. They will pay you something.

If you want to develop more and get a fallback education - go to college. They will pay for your room and board, books and education. That's the deal you get and you get the chance at an education as a fall back plan. Keep the money out of college - there are other options for kids if they want direct pay.

Mickey-Ds - good practice in asking questions such as "Would you like fries with that?"
 
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VAIllini35 said:
Really simple options for kids out of school :
Try D-League, Go overseas, Go to College. Mickey-Ds.

Each has its own pros/cons. If you want to make money now and are good enough - go pro somewhere. They will pay you something.

If you want to develop more and get a fallback education - go to college. They will pay for your room and board, books and education. That's the deal you get and you get the chance at an education as a fall back plan. Keep the money out of college - there are other options for kids if they want direct pay.

Mickey-Ds - good practice in asking questions such as "Would you like fries with that?"
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Brandon Jennings did that overseas, and Emmanuel Mudiay. There were horror stories about actually getting paid iirc.
 
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Over/under on how many days pass before Purplestain does the guilt by association thing on Underwood?
 
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FiveStar said:
Brandon Jennings did that overseas, and Emmanuel Mudiay. There were horror stories about actually getting paid iirc.
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My guess is the same for lots of people in the workplace - everyone has to make choices - based on many factors - likelihood of getting paid at the end of the week is one thing I do consider when I take a job.

I'll revise that statement to say 'Find a place that will pay you something'.
 
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Joel Goodson said:
Over/under on how many days pass before Purplestain does the guilt by association thing on Underwood?
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So far his twitter postings have just been re-tweets, nothing of his own to say on the topic. He's far less silent on Julia-Louis Dreyfuss' cancer and Kneel-Gate.
 
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FiveStar said:
Brandon Jennings did that overseas, and Emmanuel Mudiay. There were horror stories about actually getting paid iirc.
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Yeah, depends where you play overseas. Some countries are notorious for only paying you about half of what they promised, or making you wait forever to actually get paid.
 
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FiveStar said:
Pay the same percentage of revenue generated. Takes care of itself.
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While neutral on its face, that approach probably wouldn't pass scrutiny as the legal concept of disparate impact will also have to be dealt with. Frankly, I don't think any of these pay the athletes proposals can get far off the ground without Congressional involvement on Title IX implications. Given the track record of both NCAA and Congress, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
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Calvin said:
It's possible the coaches themselves are in the dark, and not doing anything wrong. The programs/boosters are another matter. Every situation is different. It could be some recruitments are totally above board, and some are not. I tend to think the closer you get to the top-25, the more the black market takes over.
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Only because everyone in the process knows to keep them there, not ask questions, and not pursue rumors. Guys like Underwood and Self are not stupid men. If a recruit suddenly starts flashing cash on campus, don't you think they understand how it happened? And know enough to keep the blinders on?
 
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PNWIllini said:
Only because everyone in the process knows to keep them there, not ask questions, and not pursue rumors. Guys like Underwood and Self are not stupid men. If a recruit suddenly starts flashing cash on campus, don't you think they understand how it happened? And know enough to keep the blinders on?
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And yet they have Pitino (as Coach 2) on tape... Pitino dealt directly with Gatto, who is charged. The odds are good that he had a personal relationship with Self as well.
 
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Why don't they just remove the prohibition for players making money. Schools can't pay, but shoe companies, boosters, anyone else can. Keep it above board, but avoid the trickiness of having schools figure out who to pay/not pay. Let third parties handle that.
 
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PNWIllini said:
Only because everyone in the process knows to keep them there, not ask questions, and not pursue rumors.
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Absolutely

PNWIllini said:
Guys like Underwood and Self are not stupid men. If a recruit suddenly starts flashing cash on campus, don't you think they understand how it happened?
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They do not make it their business. You can argue that's willful negligence, but with all the regulations they already have to worry about, as well as how much of an over-reach the NCAA tries, I can't imagine they want to start tracking everyone's finances and cash flow. Remember, we used to have Michael Jordan's son. If he showed up with cash, how would anyone know if it was family money, or something the NCAA doesn't allow?

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And know enough to keep the blinders on?
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Yes. If you look under enough rocks, you're bound to find something. These guys want to comply, but they're not going to dig their own graves. To put it another way, do you self report to the police all the stop signs where you didn't come to a full and complete stop?
 
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IlliniJim20 said:
I'm no lawyer, but pretty sure Title IX is (among other things) about gender equity. Paying men and not women will not fly. Revenue aspect of that is irrelevant wrt to the law.
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That's a problem bc in a free market system salary is based on added value, not what is left over after everyone gets a cut. If a kid is worth a million a year, his fair share is not a small fraction if that. That won't fly either.
 
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kcib8130

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If we just print this thread and hand it to prospective athletes, they probably wouldn't need to go to class. We got Ethics, Economics, Criminal Law, Criminal Justice...basically a whole semester at least in here!
 
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sbillini said:
Couldn't agree more. But it seems you and I are in the minority for actually wanting college athletics to be about college first and athletics second. And the cynical "there's too much $ involved so will never happen," while potentially true, is a flawed argument in principle. Ultimately, the schools don't really get the $ (which I don't understand), it stays within the DIA (which is why you can afford to pay Harbaugh $9M/yr while making a fraction of the revenue). It subsidizes the other sports, pays for some fancy gyms, and that's about it. If the schools really wanted to change it, the financial incentive to not do so isn't as strong as some make it out to be, imo.
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The correlation between football and basketball success, and donations to the University (non-athletic department donations) is very well documented.
 
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Illwinsagain

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mdonsbach said:
I know this is an NBA thing but does getting rid of the one and done model alleviate alot of this?

The whole point of the money up front is in hope when the kids make it big in the NBA then they will use them when they are rich.

I know another loop hole will form but doesn't that level the playing field at least a little bit?
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I like the baseball version for Bball, Teams can draft anyone on this list, players get to choose whether or not to accept. option A) Straight out of HS, B) After Jr year, C) After Sr year. I think some of the paperbag money would go away. If a player is drafted, he is guaranteed a 3 year deal (even if $50k/yr). There would have to expand the D-league, most likely. Draft would likely be expanded back to something over 2 rounds, maybe 5? For you younger folks, the draft used to be 10 rounds, back in the 80's.
 
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