Certainly compared to what I make, they are terrific salaries but I thought I heard or read that !!!'t coaches salaries generally pale in comparison to head coaches. Maybe there is some kind of jealousy involved or they think that there is such a discrepancy that they feel almost entitled to bring in some extra cash to make up for the gap. Just a half thought.
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Certainly compared to what I make, they are terrific salaries but I thought I heard or read that !!!'t coaches salaries generally pale in comparison to head coaches. Maybe there is some kind of jealousy involved or they think that there is such a discrepancy that they feel almost entitled to bring in some extra cash to make up for the gap. Just a half thought.
$3M for HC vs $150 to $400k for AC is a big gap. If they (asst coaches) dont want to live on an asst coach salary, they need to try something else. BU is a good example of a guy who paid his dues on asst coach salary....and ultimately got P5 head coach salary.
I cant figure out Chuck Persons....since he was in NBA for 10+ yrs and should have plenty socked away to retire probably. I figured coaching was a passion but the money was not a driver for him....money can be evil.
Ransom Stoddard
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- Bloomington, IL
Until senility kicks in.
For the second or third time I saw someone say NCAA might smack the hands of some coaches involved if they clear the fbi. Ive seen lack of institutional control thrown around for BU at ok st because of Evans. However BU was only there for a year. Can you prove lack of control with such a short time frame? Doesn’t it have to multiple things, negative patterns over years?
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Yep, and even if he didn't give anything to a recruit doesn't mean he didn't know about or direct that transaction.
mattcoldagelli
- The Transfer Portal with Do Not Contact Tag
Anybody speculating about what the NCAA will do is doing total guesswork because this is so unprecedented. There’s a high likelihood the NCAA comes out of this looking outrageously incompetent at best, and complicit at worst. They may not be in a position to start going after schools (especially after the UNC debacle).
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
I agree with this. One of the things about this situation that's unique is that most of these deals appear to be structured to avoid direct violation of NCAA rules. At best, I think the NCAA could slap that vague, generic "lack of institutional control." The big question is will they be willing to do that with what might be dozens of programs?
What I do expect from the NCAA is a whole lot of committees and talk of change. What that change is would be anyone's guess at this point.
ILL in IA
- Iowa City
If an agent gives an assistant coach money to help influence a player to sign with said agent when he is ready to enter the draft, but none of the money is given to the player and stays in the hands of the assistant coach, did an NCAA violation happen? From a FBI perspective, I see where the issues happen, but I'm not worried about the FBI (I didn't do anything wrong here).
Well stated.
Bold: don't they already?
Italics: so true. I don't trust the NCAA one iota, but if they go after one or two guys, they will have to go after dozens. They might be able to get away with nailing some obvious ones like Louisville, but if (for example) they were to hit Illinois because of Underwood's alleged involvement with Evans while at OSU, then the flood gates would have to be open. Not sure the NCAA wants that to happen.
How is Evans even an issue for the NCAA, since the scheme involved what happened to players AFTER they left school? It's peripheral at best. Lack of institutional control is ridiculous for what Evans did.
Meetings, greetings and intros to agents occurred while players were still NCAA athletes.
No doubt, but it involved the players' pro careers, not his NCAA career. No one was trying, in the Evans scheme, to get players to a school, pay them to attend a school etc. So yeah, stuff took place while they were in school, but the scheme involved what happened when they left school. I really don't think this is an NCAA issue.
Of course they were trying to get players to specific schools. Agents formed relationships with schools and were feeding players to schools and coaches in order to keep them secure so coaches can feed them back to them. That was not about the pocket money, the biggest benefit to coaches and schools was that they were getting those talented players on their team, a huge benefit to their career and reputation.
I have yet to see anything that said the agents were helping schools get players. I think you are wrong about this. Now on the other part of this investigation, shoe companies were definitely paying players to go to certain schools, like Louisville and Miami. I think you are confusing and/or combining the two types of schemes.
I think you are being naive, or actually to phrase better, people are now trying to be naive depending on whether it serves their interest/school and fandom.
Don't confuse what has been in the indictment or what could be eventually proven with what has actually been happening for many years, not really the best kept secret either. The only surprise is that the FBI got involved, nothing else. This is not about just Louisville and Miami. The agents were funneling recruits to specific places.
OK, so who did these agents funnel to OK State in the one year Coach U & Evans were at OK. State? You aren't trying to tell me agents are funneling 2* and 3* players are you? Pretty sure OK State didn't have a 4* or 5* player during that recruiting cycle. So no, I don't believe I'm being naive.
There was nothing in the indictment against Evans about agents getting players to schools. Also, if the agent can get the player to go to a school he choses, why does he need the assistant coach?
Shoe and apparel companies paid to put players in schools. I've seen nothing that says the agents that were indicted did that and I read the whole Complaint from the US Attorney. The Complaint says that the agents used the assistant coaches influence to get close to the family and to get the player to trust him. If the agent already steered him to a school, he'd have an in with the player and his family. That conduct isn't even mentioned once in passing in the Complaint. I'm not sure where you're getting this common knowledge stuff from. You think I'm naive...fair enough, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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I don't know whether money even exchanged hands, but Lamont was certainly trying to secure separate payments for recruiting purposes. Read paragraphs 55 and 56 of the document. Is this enough for the NCAA? Who knows. But there could be more evidence that hasn't been brought to the table yet that involves recruiting HS players.
From 55: "... confirm the details of the bribe payments that he would receive from SOOD and CW-1, including money EVANS wanted for himself, and money EVANS intended to use to recruit athletes to University-3's men's basketball team..."
From 56: "... In addition, EVANS asked CW-1 if CW-1 would be able to make occasional separate payments to EVANS that EVANS would provide to high school prospects that he wished to recruit to University-3, clarifying, however, that any money that CW-1 provided to EVANS to assist him with recruiting players would be "totally separate" from the $2,000 monthly payments that they had previously discussed."
From 55: "... confirm the details of the bribe payments that he would receive from SOOD and CW-1, including money EVANS wanted for himself, and money EVANS intended to use to recruit athletes to University-3's men's basketball team..."
From 56: "... In addition, EVANS asked CW-1 if CW-1 would be able to make occasional separate payments to EVANS that EVANS would provide to high school prospects that he wished to recruit to University-3, clarifying, however, that any money that CW-1 provided to EVANS to assist him with recruiting players would be "totally separate" from the $2,000 monthly payments that they had previously discussed."
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Evans asked for money to get recruits, but it didn't happen. I'll also note that the Complaint alleges that Evans defrauded his employer. So if he defrauded his employer, and Coach U is who hired him and was his boss, then by extension he defrauded Coach U as well.
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I am not sure whether that is necessarily true. The FBI does not care about cleaning up the game of basketball and just going after Money/Agents/Shoe Co and not coaches. They were asked about it in the press conference and they answered directly that it is not part of their goals (the good/future of the game), their focus is the crime and all those involved. So if they uncover involvement of coaches (including HC's) they will go after them, but have no interest in the cheating, ethics, unfair competition, or breaking NCAA rules.
That seems like a fair post.
sbillini
- st petersburg, fl
Agreed. The FBI (and, by reference, the DOJ) cares about getting the best chance for as many convictions as possible (or at least settlements with meaningful outcomes). Thus they'll likely pursue whoever they have evidence on and let the investigation lead them where it may. If that includes head coaches, so be it. I do agree that, given the nature of the allegations, HC's are less likely to be implicated, but that's not because the FBI doesn't care to pursue them.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
Just read that the FBI has finished their investigation of Bowen and he's ok with them. Doesn't clear him for NCAA play, but a step in that direction.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...-bowen-in-investigation/ar-AAunV4h?li=BBnba9I
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...-bowen-in-investigation/ar-AAunV4h?li=BBnba9I
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