ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I think there's no question now that Lovie is back. Not just the win, but he seemed much more engaged on the sidelines. That ain't a guy planning to quit.
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BananaShampoo
Captain 'Paign
- Phoenix, AZ
Yes. Only question is why it didn't happen sooner.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Tough to say why we had been operating with a different approach and how that was operating through the coaching staff, but it wasn't just play calling that was different yesterday.
Yes we blitzed more, but it wasn't like we hadn't blitzed at all previously. What was really noticeable was that our D-linemen were coming off the ball low and hard and the linebackers were getting downhill and attacking their gaps. And everybody was recovering and swarming to the football at a much higher level of awareness and effort than in previous games.
Personnel may play more of a role than we realize. Tony Adams and Nate Hobbs were back, and as soon as they sat back down to put in the backups late in the game there were a couple late coverage messes.
Calvin Avery also had a monster game, which if that is the new normal we're in great shape.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Man it would be weird to be fired like 3 weeks early.
Someone mentioned Jon Hoke earlier in this thread as a possible DC next year. I think that makes a ton of sense and I cannot imagine any of the Tampa D staff is back after the season.
Personally I would like to see Mike Phair get the job, but Hoke has prior DC experience at Florida and South Carolina and obviously is very familiar with Lovie.
Personally I would like to see Mike Phair get the job, but Hoke has prior DC experience at Florida and South Carolina and obviously is very familiar with Lovie.
FT35
- Naperville
That situation is such a mess. They currently have one commit. ONE and it's November! The earlier signing period isn't that far away and like we saw last year, there aren't going to be a lot of options available after that.
They also took so many blue shirts this year that they can only take 15-18 players in this recruiting class and won't come close to having 85 scholarship players for the next couple of years. Whoever steps in is going to have massive problems trying to get that program out of the basement of the Big 12.
This is what would happen if the man hired to fire you was worried you'd beat your in-state rival.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
There is definitely a Mike Thomas-y odor to that situation.
That being said, Beaty was a very weak hire who has badly reneged on the plan to get off the Juco train and build the scholarship numbers there.
They need a bread-and-butter football ops guy to get the trains running on time there. No more clutching at shiny objects for "buzz" or whatever.
Here's my idea: hire Tracy Claeys (Kansas native) as head coach and reassemble the Jerry Kill All Stars who were a successful staff of all-business football coaches at every level along the way, and bring in Kill himself (also a Kansas native) as a "Special Assistant to the Head Coach" type program overseer, to the extent his health allows, to be a conduit between Claeys and the athletic department and to be a broader voice of program management.
FT35
- Naperville
Minnesota just fired their DC. That's what happens when you give up a double nickel to Illinois.
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Not sure how PJ has been able to get to where he is at, but this won’t be the last coach he throws overboard before he and his over the top personality go down as well.
BananaShampoo
Captain 'Paign
- Phoenix, AZ
Dunning Kruger and the Peter Principle. Look em up.
I think this is insightful. And add to that that we played a mediocre offense and I wonder if it was lovie or the team justllayed More consistently
KrushCow31
Former Krush Cow
- Chicago, IL
Reading through other boards it seems Minnesota fans have wanted this for a while. Arkansas fans complained about very similar things as the Minnesota fans. Idk if this one is necessarily on Fleck.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...en-lead-list-of-replacements-for-david-beaty/
This is a classic of the "coaching carousel article from a reporter with good sources but no clue how the business works" genre.
Mike Locksley can do better but Dave Doeren can't?
The agent who told you that is blowing smoke, Dennis.
This is a classic of the "coaching carousel article from a reporter with good sources but no clue how the business works" genre.
Mike Locksley can do better but Dave Doeren can't?
The agent who told you that is blowing smoke, Dennis.
No question until someone questions whether he'll be back after the next blowout loss.
FT35
- Naperville
If they are questioning whether or not Lovie will be retained then they don't understand how big of a buyout he has if he's fired before January 31, 2019.
It's $12 million if he's fired before January 31, 2019 which is why him getting fired this year was never going to happen. They could have gone 0-12 and Illinois wasn't going to pay him that much money to go away. If he resigns then I think he owes Illinois money.
It drops to $4 million if he is fired before January 31, 2020 but that is more doable. It's still a lot of money but if he can't get to a bowl game next year then Illinois needs to move on.
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/lo...-set-45m-65m-should-coach-leave-ui-early.html
Find a way to get the defense back to what we saw last year and they should be able to get to a minor bowl game with the way the offense is playing. I don't care how they do it. Get graduate transfers, JUCOs, whatever. You have to show recruits that this program is improving otherwise no one will want to come here and recruiting isn't that great right now anyways.
I think you can stick with Lovie at DC and save some money that way. People forget that Lovie was the DC for last year's Indiana game since Nickerson missed that game for health reasons as well. If Illinois had a remotely competent offense for that game then they could have won as they were just trading punts in the first half. Go out and hire two ace recruiters and let them coach the LBs and the CBs/NB.
Lovie isn't going anywhere this year. Next year's schedule looks tough with Michigan and Michigan State on the schedule. We will need to pull a win out of Nebraska, Purdue, Iowa, and Northwestern. Purdue should take a step back next season, so hopefully we pull one out against them or maybe Northwestern. Given the start to our schedule, we should win 4 of the first 5. Which sets up some major problems with a large string of losses to end the season.
Aug. 31 Akron Memorial Stadium
Sept. 7 at UConn East Hartford, Conn.
Sept. 14 Eastern MichiganMemorial Stadium
Sept. 21 Nebraska Memorial Stadium
Sept. 28 BYE
Oct. 5 at Minnesota Minneapolis, Minn.
Oct. 12 Michigan Memorial Stadium
Oct. 19 Wisconsin (Homecoming) Memorial Stadium
Oct. 26 at Purdue West Lafayette, Ind.
Nov. 2 Rutgers (Dads Day) Memorial Stadium
Nov. 9 at Michigan State East Lansing, Mich.
Nov. 16 BYE
Nov. 23 at Iowa Iowa City, Iowa
Nov. 30 Northwestern Memorial Stadium
Dec. 7at Big Ten Championship GameIndianapolis, Ind.
But looking at 2020, I could see us winning 8 with Indiana on the schedule.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
While Michigan and Michigan State are tough and their presence makes a bit of a mockery of the "parity-based scheduling" idea the B1G office has been claiming, I don't think describing it overall as a "tough schedule" is right at all.
There are pretty much four absolute layups there. If you can't find 6 wins on a schedule like that, you're probably around the high 70's in advanced stats at the absolute highest, in layman's terms you aren't very good.
It's true though that 2020 is even easier still.
If Lovie doesn't work out, Guentheresque scheduling will not be an excuse for why. The B1G West is as soft as any division in the country and our non-conference schedules are very favorable for the foreseeable future. The bar is not that high.
BananaShampoo
Captain 'Paign
- Phoenix, AZ
Yeah, there is no excuse for next year why we can't find 6 wins at a minimum, especially if we are where we should be with respect to the rebuild. I think we should be challenging the middle of the pack B1G teams next year and SHOULD be able to sneak out a surprise victory or two against teams that nobody thinks we should beat.
I agree. I posted the schedule for conversation around next year, not to make a sell that we shouldn’t win 6 games.
If we were in the big ten east, I could see poor scheduling being a problem. I was just looking at the schedule and noticed we didn’t pair Indiana next year. And we paired Michigan and Michigan state.
I think we have 5 wins 3 losses and a handful of games we can pull off. We need to start competing with the middle of the road big ten teams next year.
We also got UConn, which is several steps below the quality of our 3rd game opponent over the last decade. Indiana would have been an easy 6 wins, but we will get that in 2020.
The one coaching change I wish didn't happen is Mike Phair. I thought he was crushing it at the college level. I doubt he would be on his way back, but any thoughts on this?
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
We couldn't make him the full time DC before. Now we can. We should try.
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