Illini Basketball 2016-2017

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Captain Bubbles said:
Just to the north of Junction is Ridgway. The high school used to be there many years ago, yet it wasn't called Gallatin County. Back in those days, there was a coach by the name of Bob Dallas. He was a great coach and had some good players. If you are familiar with Teutopolis basketball, former head coach Ken Crawford came from Ridgway. So, there's a Teutopolis-Ridgway connection that many don't know about.

But Ridgway also gives me chills. Remember the February 29 tornado that hit Harrisburg a few years ago? I was with a friend at the Gallatin County Sectional just HOURS before it hit. A few nights later, GCo beat Crab Orchard in the Sectional Championship game, amd Drone led the way. I got to see the damage firsthand. Just awful.

Probably the coolest thing about Ridgway is a baseball bat company that is known nationally. I think it made news recently. Think Tebow or someone just used one of their bats.

But anyway, happy to see Drone be with AJ while in Europe. Andrew is at Rice, because his dad is deaf. Last I heard, he's in their deafness study program of some sort...helping people overcome their hearing problems.
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I live in Carmi so I had a couple chances to see Andrew play in high school. I thought it was neat when I seen he was on this trip with AJ. I was also in Ridgway the day after that tornado. The company I work for has a satellite location there so we went to help with the cleanup. I am also good friends with the owners of the Dinger baseball bat company you speak of. I played some summer league and legion baseball with Kyle back in the mid 90s. It's great how big he has gotten. Sells bats to Matt Adams and Kyle Schwarber among others. In fact, the homer that Schwarberhit last year in the playoffs that ended up on top of the scoreboard was a Dinger bat!!
 
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Se Il Illini

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Ridgway High School was located in Ridgway, Illinois. They won a Class A State Championship in the early 70's with Bob Dallas as coach. When the school districts in Gallatin County, which includes Ridgway, consolidated to form Gallatin County School District, a new K-12 school was built near Junction. Bob Dallas was the first boys basketball coach at Gallatin County High School.
 
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Malcolm seems a bit low in this ranking of returning players.

06. Thomas Bryant (Indiana)
08. Melo Trimble (Maryland)
15. Caleb Swanigan (Purdue)
19. OG Anunoby (Indiana)
21. Ethan Happ (Wisconsin)
24. Peter Jok (Iowa)
25. Nick Emery (BYU)
27. Nigel Hayes (Wisconsin)
29. Dwayne Bacon (FSU)
36. Bronson Koenig (Wisconsin)
58. James Blackmon, Jr. (Indiana)
60. Malcolm Hill (Illinois)
64. Eron Harris (MSU)
67. Corey Sanders (Rutgers)
70. Derrick Walton, Jr. (Michigan)
81. Abdul-Malik Abu (NC State)
87. Vince Edwards (Purdue)
89. Bryan McIntosh (Northwestern)
93. JeQuan Lewis (VCU)
 
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He's low because they haven't been following Fletcher. :thumb:
 
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Big Al said:
I think Corey Tate's role in all of this is getting extremely exaggerated. It's not like he gave Mizzou any kind of a leg up. The top Eagles players wouldn't even visit when he was there.
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The reporter from STL who first sent out the tweet regarding SLU, said in an interview with Tay and Jay that the day Tate was hired, things did shift towards SLU. Was it the only factor? No. However, it was not an insignificant one.
 
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Bryant McIntosh is super low, too. All of these preseason lists punish individual players based on last year's team results. Last year Malcolm's line was 18.1 pts, 6.6 reb, 3.3 ast, 1.2 stl, 0.4 blk, while OG Anunoby's was 4.9 pts, 2.6 reb, 0.5 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.8 blk.

Obviously, Anunoby is a 6'8 freak athlete and has a better chance of being a lottery pick, but to put him 41 spots ahead of Malcolm is ridiculous. If Malcolm were on IU this year, he'd be the star of the team. Same with Iowa - if Malcolm were on that team, Jok would be a complementary spot-up shooter. Oh well. I'm calling it now: if we make the tourney, Malcolm Hill will be named Big Ten POY.
 
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FeelYourPaign

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The only benefit to me of seeing Malcolm rated so low in that list is that it provides a bit of a dampener on my Orange Koolaid high. I tend to get so caught up in how terrific our guys are that I fail to have the largely unbiased view of the guys who write these lists. I doubt that they know Malcolm anything like we know Malcolm and I think they are wrong on his position in the list, but it does help to remind me that ML isn't the only guy out there getting better.

Now, use it to motive, Malcolm !
 
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Of course if we stay healthy this year and the scoring is balanced then Malcolm may not put up POY type numbers. But we may win a whole lot of games
 
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I think you could switch the majority of the list around, and there's not a huge difference in talent. I'd say Hill along with Alonzo Trier are ranked too low. Trier is a lottery pick type of player. Koenig and Kennard are getting a ton of love.
 
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You think these guys even lift?
 

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We seriously have the most jacked college basketball team I've ever seen. Kipper and JCL look like NFL linebackers.
 
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I don't know a ton about basketball physiology, but I am a little worried about what trade-offs there might be from adding all that muscle mass to these guys' frames. It's not like they were just couch potatoes before, there was obviously a focus on a different sort of training.
 
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FatGreg said:
We seriously have the most jacked college basketball team I've ever seen. Kipper and JCL look like NFL linebackers.
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I remember a few years ago when we had guys like Mike Tisdale, Bill Cole, and Mike Davis and fans would complain about having the scrawniest squad in the B1G. Shouldn't be an issue this year...
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
I don't know a ton about basketball physiology, but I am a little worried about what trade-offs there might be from adding all that muscle mass to these guys' frames. It's not like they were just couch potatoes before, there was obviously a focus on a different sort of training.
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I'm not all that worried. We saw that the these guys became more explosive while getting stronger and more flexible. Plus, Fletcher's training methods are evidenced based practice. This means that there is some research out there that proves that training this particular way is the most beneficial.

For those who have Twitter, go to Fletch's profile and go back prior to him joining Illinois. For awhile, he was posting multiple articles related to evidenced based research regarding explosiveness, injury prevention, and other related articles.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
I don't know a ton about basketball physiology, but I am a little worried about what trade-offs there might be from adding all that muscle mass to these guys' frames. It's not like they were just couch potatoes before, there was obviously a focus on a different sort of training.
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It should do nothing but help. The amount of actual muscle mass gained is likely not huge (simply not physiologically possible to gain mass quantities of muscle that fast without the aid of metabolic enhancement), but it's the amount of fat that they've dropped off that is astonishing. Their strength has shot up but I'm sure much of that is the result of proper lifting technique and volume/consistency in programming causing neuro-muscular adaptation. As long as they've been continuing to spend time perfecting their basketball skills, as well, I'm sure we are going to be pleasantly surprised by how physically dominant these guys are going to be this coming season. :thumb:
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
I don't know a ton about basketball physiology, but I am a little worried about what trade-offs there might be from adding all that muscle mass to these guys' frames. It's not like they were just couch potatoes before, there was obviously a focus on a different sort of training.
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The only possible negative thing that comes to mind would maybe be minor changes in shot mechanics due to strength increases. But it's not like they woke up one morning jacked. I'm sure they've gotten plenty accustomed to their new frames and are bigger, faster, stronger, better in virtually every way. Don't be fooled, these gains are great for the players.
 
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CAHALL15 said:
Plus, Fletcher's training methods are evidenced based practice. This means that there is some research out there that proves that training this particular way is the most beneficial.

For those who have Twitter, go to Fletch's profile and go back prior to him joining Illinois. For awhile, he was posting multiple articles related to evidenced based research regarding explosiveness, injury prevention, and other related articles.
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Right, there is clearly a plan being executed here, and it sounds good to me, but there's no way there's not SOMETHING being sacrificed in exchange for getting these guys so comically yoked up. That's just not the way these things work.

I do however think that added physical strength and durability fits well with our playing style and should in theory be a nice upgrade.
 
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ILLtilIdie

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Second and Chalmers said:
Right, there is clearly a plan being executed here, and it sounds good to me, but there's no way there's not SOMETHING being sacrificed in exchange for getting these guys so comically yoked up. That's just not the way these things work.

I do however think that added physical strength and durability fits well with our playing style and should in theory be a nice upgrade.
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Cheeseburgers and pizza I would imagine which ironically are my downfalls.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
I don't know a ton about basketball physiology, but I am a little worried about what trade-offs there might be from adding all that muscle mass to these guys' frames. It's not like they were just couch potatoes before, there was obviously a focus on a different sort of training.
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I'd be concerned too, however, think about what work is being done. Lots of core and lower body strength work, to ensure their legs can handle their new builds, and lots of explosive work to ensure theyre maximizing their new builds. Fletch also does a ton of flexibility (injury prevention) work and I'm sure they run sprints, do plyo, and play a lot of basketball to stay in great shape. Groce also has everybody make a bazillion shots every summer so they are getting reps in with their new gains. All of these things lead to all their gains and physiques being maximized for basketball. Honestly his program is my dream program to implement with my team.
 
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Building endurance will help shooting that often gets worse with tired legs as well as defense that can be exhausting. Building explosiveness will help in many areas such as rebounding, dunking, driving, and defense. Building strength will help with injury prevention, rebounding, setting screens, beating screens, and carrying the coach after cutting down the nets.
 
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Illwinsagain

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ILLtilIdie said:
Cheeseburgers and pizza I would imagine which ironically are my downfalls.
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Really, this is the core of my training table! Of course, I'm a 50 year old runner, not 19 year old bball player. And my six pack is hidden behind my reserve energy storage. :D
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
I don't know a ton about basketball physiology, but I am a little worried about what trade-offs there might be from adding all that muscle mass to these guys' frames. It's not like they were just couch potatoes before, there was obviously a focus on a different sort of training.
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You shouldn't be. It's very common in sports to work on strength in the off season. It may take them a little while to get used to their new capabilities, but it will be an improvement in the long run.
 
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