Correct. I think there is some dark magic with Groce that prevents many of his players to get in shooting rhythm. Tate is a good example. Cosby suddenly forgot how to shoot at all after he came. Maybe it's not just his rotation pattern but something more to that.
I remembered one game when Finke was trying to shoot a corner three, Groce shouted at him and Finke cancelled the shooting motion and was totally lost. It ended up a travel of Finke. I was so pissed of seeing that and came to realize why Groce's player does not progress at all.
Hill was probably the only player that is immune to this dark magic but if he is coached by some better guys maybe he has been an all big-ten player and playing NBA right now.
What else are we going to hear on this board? Groce did not let Tate get into a rhythm? If nothing else, Tate played more minutes that he probably should have played under Groce. Mav did not greatly improve under Groce, exceeding expectations? Hill would be in the NBA? Hill had a great career, the reasons that he is not in the NBA have nothing to do with Groce.
Revisionist theorists at best.