Illini Basketball 2018-2019

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#151      
Theres always a dichotomy between expecting improvement by a player and grabbing a recruit whos possibly better. Some people side with the former, others the latter.

Last years team under performed, but not to the point we would've been sniffing an NCAAT bid if everything went our way. But I still think a 5th year Finke is better than Giorgi (at least next year), and I have doubts Kane will be much better than Ebo. The question becomes, does adding Ayo, Jones, and Feliz offset and/or add more than Black and Tejon? I'd almost say thats a wash, so in the end of the day, purely speaking about next year, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended with the same record, or even won 5 more games. Freshman are almost always wildcards, impossible to predict.

I believe Kane will be better defensively than Finke (assuming he is the starter) and Kipper will be as good defensively as Black and almost as good offensively. AJ will be better than Alstork, TJ improved over last year, and Ayo a huge improvement over Smith. If any of the others, i.e. Jones, Griffin, Feliz, Giorgio, surpass my assumed starters it will be even more an improvement. Offense will not be the problem IMO and the additional experience with BU's system should help the defense. If I believed they wouldn't be improved I would stop watching to avoid the pain.
 
#152      
Ebo & Smith would have likely become bright spots...

I don’t see Smith ever becoming a high impact player for a high major team. He may develop into a good three point threat, but I doubt he ever becomes a guy who makes plays driving, finishing or setting up teammates in half court sets. He showed the ability to score against inferior athletes. But he showed no ability to figure out how to impact games against high major athletes. I don’t think he has the basketball mind to get there.

And I don’t buy the “he was just a freshman” line. He averaged nearly 20 minutes per game. If a guy can’t figure it out with that much time, I don’t expect him to ever put it together.
 
#153      
He also went out of his way to praise guys that were already here. ....

praise in public. praise an individual before the team. constructive criticism and tough love an individual before the team - they are all striving to achieve excellence - that is part of the process. But save your harshest criticism for an individual in private
 
#154      
I don’t see Smith ever becoming a high impact player for a high major team. He may develop into a good three point threat, but I doubt he ever becomes a guy who makes plays driving, finishing or setting up teammates in half court sets. He showed the ability to score against inferior athletes. But he showed no ability to figure out how to impact games against high major athletes. I don’t think he has the basketball mind to get there.

And I don’t buy the “he was just a freshman” line. He averaged nearly 20 minutes per game. If a guy can’t figure it out with that much time, I don’t expect him to ever put it together.

but..but Jason Kidd.:)
 
#155      
Why does everyone look at Giorgi as the weak link of this incoming class? Has anyone actually seen him, Kane or Higgs play in an actual game?

#367, May signee, and Hofstra/Manhattan offers tend to do that to one! Especially, if they score less than double digits per game.:)
 
#157      
Not if you ask Black, Finke, Smith and Ebo.

Sorry, shouldn't have generalized re: turnover to every player that left. And in many cases, one could call it a mutual parting of ways? Most definitely not a deal where the coaching staff was mourning the loss of certain players, let's leave it at that.
 
#158      
#367, May signee, and Hofstra/Manhattan offers tend to do that to one! Especially, if they score less than double digits per game.:)

I’ll give you the offer list. The ranking isn’t that different from our other bigs in this class. I don’t think the scoring is a good indicator of what we’re getting due to the other talent on his high school team. In the few game clips I saw of him, his role looked to be that of a passer out of the high post rather than a scoring threat. That’s what he’ll primarily be asked to do here on offense. He can add value this year simply by understanding his abilities and playing within himself. Having a good feel for the game is something we desperately need, and it’s also something that is probably undervalued in recruiting rankings.

I haven’t seen him play live so I’m not predicting what we’ll get. He could be a bust or he could be a nice surprise. I’m just amazed how many posters write off players they've never seen play in actual live action.
 
#161      
but..but Jason Kidd.:)

I wonder how much the preseason hype from Underwood was a function of Smith being able to finish against our bigs in practice. The interior defense he saw in practice was probably more similar to what he saw in our mid major preconference schedule than our conference schedule.
 
#162      
Why does everyone look at Giorgi as the weak link of this incoming class? Has anyone actually seen him, Kane or Higgs play in an actual game?

To be blunt, Giorgi flat out has the worst tape of any recruit of ours that I can remember watching (which isnt everyone, but still).
 
#163      
It's not really writing him off, it's just not expecting much from him as a true freshman.

We may not have any other choice though. I doubt he redshirts.

I just don’t see the reason for significantly lower expectations for Giorgi as compared to Kane or Higgs.
 
#165      
To be blunt, Giorgi flat out has the worst tape of any recruit of ours that I can remember watching (which isnt everyone, but still).

That’s my point. Thinking you can evaluate a player like him based on highlight film is ridiculous.
 
#167      
I’ll give you the offer list. The ranking isn’t that different from our other bigs in this class. I don’t think the scoring is a good indicator of what we’re getting due to the other talent on his high school team. In the few game clips I saw of him, his role looked to be that of a passer out of the high post rather than a scoring threat. That’s what he’ll primarily be asked to do here on offense. He can add value this year simply by understanding his abilities and playing within himself. Having a good feel for the game is something we desperately need, and it’s also something that is probably undervalued in recruiting rankings.

I haven’t seen him play live so I’m not predicting what we’ll get. He could be a bust or he could be a nice surprise. I’m just amazed how many posters write off players they've never seen play in actual live action.
Totally agree with this. I like what I saw and that he played against better teams than most. He looks to have a good skill set, plays with both hands well, and wasnt in the USA long. I wouldnt be so quick to write him off in favor of others. I dont see him with less skill than Kane from films and game tapes I've seen but maybe I'm wrong.

https://youtu.be/u3TMzJ__e2c
 
#168      
I just don’t see the reason for significantly lower expectations for Giorgi as compared to Kane or Higgs.

It's a fair point that there's limited film on all three of them, but from what we've seen, two of them look like they belong on this level athletically and one doesn't. That's what people are reacting to.
 
#169      
Pros on the tape
Dancing

Cons on tape
Basketball

We know we’re not getting an electric athlete. Did you see anything on the tape that reflects on his ability to read the game? Were you able to draw conclusions about his help defense? How about his understanding of space and angles? Ability to stick to a game plan and scouting report?
 
#170      
It's a fair point that there's limited film on all three of them, but from what we've seen, two of them look like they belong on this level athletically and one doesn't. That's what people are reacting to.

That’s what I figured. And I get that we’ve needed to upgrade athletically for some time. Lack of athletes is certainly a reason we have not been good lately. But lack of IQ and intangibles is the reason we’ve underperformed relative to the caliber of athletes that we have had.
 
#172      
That’s what I figured. And I get that we’ve needed to upgrade athletically for some time. Lack of athletes is certainly a reason we have not been good lately. But lack of IQ and intangibles is the reason we’ve underperformed relative to the caliber of athletes that we have had.
How elite an athlete was Loyolas freshman big guy last season? I'd love an athletic big but skill is often overlooked in favor of a dunk. Bez has a skill set some dont and I like that about him.
 
#173      
Why does everyone look at Giorgi as the weak link of this incoming class? Has anyone actually seen him, Kane or Higgs play in an actual game?

Giorgi B game video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEs2SXIEZSA, a better one vs Naz Reid...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blxz4bmtIOs, shows more play...he is not in Reid class, but he held his own against a far superior team imo. Reid was ranked #21 or so, Giorgi is where...I think he will help more than most think.

Seems to have a high IQ for passing, over commitment on the defense side, you can even see the coaches call him off a couple of times for being to far out, marginal rebounder at best. Rebounding can be taught though with his size.

Decent athletically (meaning movement, not just jumping), very very good ball handler it seems and the #1 reason he is here other than the height, I think would be the active passing big in BU system.:chief:
 
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