Illini Basketball 2022-2023

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#753      
Dawg, Ayo and Kofi were both first team all-americans that terrorized opponents.

So, I guess you were agreeing with the other parts. I'll also be surprised if anyone ends up on a short list this year. It's a media-driven thing that usually needs year-long momentum, and most guys are in a new system. Agreed on a decent chance of multiple guys looking at NBA paychecks in a year.
Yes, Ayo and Kofi, their junior seasons, were superstars.
 
#754      
Agreed. Superstar talent means NBA lottery pick and/or first team All-American. I don't see anyone on this team qualifying. I do think chances are good that Shannon and maybe Mayer are playing in the NBA 17 months from now.
By this definition, one of the best players in college basketball for the last two seasons and certainly one of the (if not the) most recognizable faces would not qualify as a superstar. Same for Johnny Juzang, who even the most casual fans know, as well as names like Collin Gillespie, Hunter Dickinson (🤮), EJ Liddell (most likely), heck even Cameron Krutwig, courtesy of us (also🤮...but the dude was 3rd team All-American). Perhaps the "super" has been thrown around too casually, but without getting into a multi-page discussion of what classifies a star vs. a superstar, I'd say it's a bit less cut-and-dry than your definition. Also important to remember that this is in the context of a collegiate team and not the NBA. Few people would have said Ziaire Williams or Josh Primo or Scottie Barnes were college superstars, even though they ended up being lotto picks.
 
#755      
I cannot wait to see Ty play for us. I've said this before, and I'll surely say it again, I believe he's going to seriously contribute this season. Despite the talent we've acquired, Ty is going to find a way onto that floor. He's too smart and too multifaceted not to.
Agreed. I think some are quick to push him down the depth chart with the additions of TSJ and Mayer. Those guys are contributors are very good teams but being on a national team is a huggggge deal. Solid chance he supplants CoHawk at the 4 at some point if Coleman can't put it all together finally. He is such a frustrating player because I think everyone can see his potential but he just hasn't been able to capitalize on it.
 
#756      
Hmmm...top ten recruiting class, second only to Texas in transfer portal additions...*just cracked the top 35 in certain rankings for next year.* Makes sense!


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#757      
I wonder if we’re gonna see an nba style “Help only if absolutely necessary defense.”

With our length and athleticism our 1v1 defense should be tremendous. Use good 1v1 defense to force people to their weakness on the scouting report. You can do that within a pack line setup, just a little more picky about how far packed in you are and how hard you stunt from 1 pass away.

While that is a scheme in itself the variability of how you guard based on individual scouting tendencies can get confusing. I think our guys can handle it. If we go to a “this is how we defend every time” thing, I’d like to see the no middle. We have absurd positional length which is great for that defense plus 2 guys who will play a lot who just came from that system and did it at a high level. It’s controlled pressure that leads to predictable rotations for the defense which allows you to play faster, especially when you’re switchable.

For what it’s worth, I hope we don’t go back to the full out deny. Once teams get it to their “attack guy” were in trouble. The fouls we committed were too many and BU said so himself. You don’t see a lot of teams win like that.

People will hate it, but we got a nasty zone lineup too.

That said some 1-2-2 Iowa style I could get behind. The occasional diamond press like we showed when we were desperate I could see after a free throw here and there. Just hard to do that stuff full time.
If you listen to TA's podcast with prince, mentions playing some full court style press (Would assume a 1-2-2 given BU's history with it, with TSJ or Coleman as the 1). But for base man-to-man I'd expect to be lots of switching (I.e triple switch that is ran at Baylor, TTU, Nova, Houston) So more of that style of modern defense utilizing our tremendous length to defend the 3 better than a switching defense usually does
 
#758      
He was ahead of both Goode and RJ this past year. Why would that change?
Grandison, as a senior, had the advantages of knowing the system and a few years with Fletch. This was enough to put him in front of Goode and RJ. After a year in the system for Goode and RJ, these advantages have been pretty much negated. Now it is more of a matter of their basketball skills. If the skills are close, I'd play the Sophomores, looking to the future.

I'd love to see Grandison come back - the team flowed much better with him on the floor last year. If he comes back, I expect that his play time will start low (play the kids heavily in non-conf, non-major games), peak early in the big10 season, and then drop off again as the season progresses and the kids get more experience. It is a question of whether Grandison wants the role, and whether there is a roster spot for him. If Underwood leaves one ride open for mid-year transfers, then there is only one scholarship to either pick someone up after the NBA draft withdrawal deadline, or Grandison.
 
#760      

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Big Ten is going to look VERY different … anyone want to take a shot at projected tiers? I’d have to assume we’re near the top, and IU should be good. Michigan will be at least kind of good no matter what, but the draft affects them a lot.
No matter what their record shows, Michigan always sucks.
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#761      
Big Ten is going to look VERY different … anyone want to take a shot at projected tiers? I’d have to assume we’re near the top, and IU should be good. Michigan will be at least kind of good no matter what, but the draft affects them a lot.

This is the new face of college ball. Every off-season is going to be a complete reshuffling of the college ball card deck.

Between 'The Portal' and the 'One-And-Done' guys... most every team is going to have a different look from year to year. Some folks will like that and some will not. But either way, it will make each season more exciting overall. It will also give more hope to teams who have a less-than-satisfying season because they will have a chance to rebuild and fill holes more quickly with The Portal.

This will add to the premium that outstanding coaches and staffs already have. The ability to find and secure those needed team 'pieces' and to blend them all into a symphony of roundball sweet sounds will be heightened each year.

This also means that when you have a special group of talented guys who really jell together... we just really appreciate them for the short time we'll see them.
Pieces will be quickly moving and cards will be re-shuffled.

Just make sure we have a good bunch of guys doing the shuffling and dealing. And who know how to best play whatever hands they dealt.
 
#767      

skyIdub

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CoHawk?

Kofi as a sophomore: 17.7 pts and 9.5 rbs per game.

Ayo as a sophomore: 16.6 pts & 3.3 asts per game.

CoHawk as a sophomore: 5.9 pts & 4.3 rbs per game.
The post I responded to was referring to talent, not statistics.

As far as defining “superstar”, I was assuming we were talking about college not NBA.
Ayo and Kofi were both first team AA. That is a college superstar.

Every player I mentioned (IMO) has the talent to be a first team AA by their senior year.

So to say “I don’t see any superstar talent” on this roster needs some clarification.
 
#768      
I cannot wait to see Ty play for us. I've said this before, and I'll surely say it again, I believe he's going to seriously contribute this season. Despite the talent we've acquired, Ty is going to find a way onto that floor. He's too smart and too multifaceted not to.
I have not seen any film of Rodgers and only have information from what I have read on this board. Many who have seen him give him much praise, but the biggest compliment I have seen on his game is that he is smart. Not sure if that alludes to common sense, character, basketball IQ, or academic aptitude, but if he is the athlete he is reported to be, and plays hard and smart, he has the potential to become an Illini legend. I love smart players who always want to know the counter to every move on the court and work hard to acquire the skills and knowledge to do those things BEFORE they face them...and not after they cost the winning bucket.

As GG stated, I also cannot wait to see Ty Rodgers enter his first of over 100 games at UI Assembly Hall and show Illini Nation what it means to be a B1G warrior and play smart.
 
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lstewart53x3

Scottsdale, Arizona
The post I responded to was referring to talent, not statistics.

As far as defining “superstar”, I was assuming we were talking about college not NBA.
Ayo and Kofi were both first team AA. That is a college superstar.

Every player I mentioned (IMO) has the talent to be a first team AA by their senior year.

So to say “I don’t see any superstar talent” on this roster needs some clarification.
Yeah, I understand. I just wouldn’t put CoHawk in the same league talent-wise as Kofi and Ayo. From what we saw last year, he still has a ways to go just to be a serviceable starter in the B1G, much less a first team AA.
 
#770      
Grandison, as a senior, had the advantages of knowing the system and a few years with Fletch. This was enough to put him in front of Goode and RJ. After a year in the system for Goode and RJ, these advantages have been pretty much negated. Now it is more of a matter of their basketball skills. If the skills are close, I'd play the Sophomores, looking to the future.

I'd love to see Grandison come back - the team flowed much better with him on the floor last year. If he comes back, I expect that his play time will start low (play the kids heavily in non-conf, non-major games), peak early in the big10 season, and then drop off again as the season progresses and the kids get more experience. It is a question of whether Grandison wants the role, and whether there is a roster spot for him. If Underwood leaves one ride open for mid-year transfers, then there is only one scholarship to either pick someone up after the NBA draft withdrawal deadline, or Grandison.
Those who contribute not named Adam Miller should be welcomed back with open arms.

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#771      
Not sure people realize the significance of Rodgers making the final 12, if he does. Good luck to him!!
That is awesome to hear for Roger's. Hoping he makes the team and gets the experience of competing. Will only help the Illini program moving forward.
 
#774      
Much different, and let's be honest very much more realistic, than Rothstein and CBS. Maybe they will catch on that a number 8 recruiting class and transfers in of TSJ and Mayer (proven Power 5 top tier players) are deserving of much better than 5th in the league. Even if they are setting up the narrative for an Underwood coach of the year candidacy their off-season rankings are laughable.
 
#775      
I think Rothstein just got it in his head early on that Illinois was replacing too much and wouldn't be that good, and refused to come off by not paying close enough attention on a macro level. 2nd in the Big Ten is a pretty reasonable pre-season projection with 2 vet transfers that were starters on top teams, with a talented freshmen class and a few solid candidates for breakout seasons.
 
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