Coach getting it in.
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Coach getting it in.
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Haha! Now we know why BU lost all that weight… so he could get out there and show his guys how to guard like Alex Caruso!
Maybe we found our PG. ?/s
Anything is possible. Purdue won the big ten with freshman guards last year
I saw that and just laughed. I don't who Torvik is, but he clearly has no idea about this team. Goode scoring 3.7, Rodgers 1.5? If Harmon averages 12/game we will win the BIG easilyTorvik doesn't really see any abilities, or usage of Sencire and/or Ty this upcoming year. Also, they don't see any freshmen helping, or even playing unlike they do other schools. He must really have the inside scopp.
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I was not great BB player, but I was always one of the better shooters from distance. When a coach was showing me my technique was wrong because my elbow was not "under" the ball. When I tried to change, it was emabarrassing. I gave up on that pretty quickly. When I coached, I only focused on teaching the importance of using their entire body with the shot and concentratig on the target. Keeping your eye on the rim is just like keeping your eye on the ball in other sports.
With recent news that DGL may be holding his own in practice this far, I’ll share my perspective. I get that it is the off-season. But to dismiss DGL before we have seen him play is a fool’s errand. A person could do it, but….. what are you looking for? An “I told you”, moment? Cool, I guess.
A couple things, many PGs start as freshmen. Many, every year, do just fine. Illinois has had numerous Freshmen PG starters over the years. There will be obvious growing pains, but the bar to clear is Epps, Clark from last year. Not a particularly high PG bar to hurdle. Purdue started two freshmen last year that did just fine. “YeaH BUt ThEY lOst In FiRSt rOUnD!!” They had a bad game. Purdue beats FDU, at a minimum, 90/100 times.
Next, when talking about his physical stature, it makes no sense to just dismiss him based on his weight/height combination. Arguably the MVP of the NCAA Tournament until K State lost was the PG they had. That guy was ELECTRIC. Now, I am not comparing DGL to him, but smaller players have thrived.
A couple things, many PGs start as freshmen. Many, every year, do just fine. Illinois has had numerous Freshmen PG starters over the years. There will be obvious growing pains, but the bar to clear is Epps, Clark from last year. Not a particularly high PG bar to hurdle. Purdue started two freshmen last year that did just fine. “YeaH BUt ThEY lOst In FiRSt rOUnD!!” They had a bad game. Purdue beats FDU, at a minimum, 90/100 times.
Next, when talking about his physical stature, it makes no sense to just dismiss him based on his weight/height combination. Arguably the MVP of the NCAA Tournament until K State lost was the PG they had. That guy was ELECTRIC. Now, I am not comparing DGL to him, but smaller players have thrived.
If and when I hear it from Trent Fraziers lips that DGL is really good .......I will jump on the bandwagon....till then I'm just going to assume the PG position is by committee
Torvik, if I'm not mistaken, uses a formula, a model of known information to predict. These models have been known to be a little out of whack before the season and early in the season. So even if he did have an idea or was the biggest Illini fan out there, his projections wouldn't change. (I think this is how it works.)
I don't dismiss analytics, but I think it's important to know its limitations. Torvik is really good. But he's using the available data to forecast the future. College basketball isn't really predictable, but you can get some good insight from the analytics. Is Ty going to improve like an average freshman? Are the incoming freshman going to perform about the average of their ranking? Team chemistry? No one knows, and there can be a lot of variability.
Be interesting to do an under/over on each of those stats by player once we're sure of the roster.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
I'm happy to hear of the progress of DGL in practice and I hope he continues to impress......That said , I have read many posts over the many years of how good _____ looks and how ______ made so many 3pters in practice to NOT go overboard with the news of the day , as far as practice...........
When we get the final roster solidified and full 2 a day practice's start will be the time , for me , to start lumping the good news from practice into my " hope " category as the season gets ready to start...........I remember just last year when we had the secret scrimmage against KU about how good we played and then the news about Luke's injury took away all the steam from that scrimmage.......
There are a lot of practice's and fletch sessions to go through before I start to pencil in my expectations for the season........
Until then , I'm gonna enjoy the daily life I have now and keep abreast of what's happening with the Illini as the off season finally rolls around to the season's start..............
wise words pru................they really really are.................................Let's party hearty ......OK ??.......................
Ready when you are babe.................................I really really am.......................
I agree. His weighting 165 lbs is not that crucial. Even if he gained 30 lbs, he's still not going to push Edey around.
If he catches on to the offense, is competent at finding teammates, takes care of the ball, and of course plays decent defense, he will get PT. Not predicting all those things happen, but I think it's just as likely as guys like Ty, Sencire, TSJ all of a sudden morphing into PGs.
True. But thought of another way. That was the one thing that held them back in the tourney.
They were just one killer guard away from being really, really good. IMO
Seems to be based on 22-23 stats. Doesn’t project well with different roster.Torvik doesn't really see any abilities, or usage of Sencire and/or Ty this upcoming year. Also, they don't see any freshmen helping, or even playing unlike they do other schools. He must really have the inside scopp.
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Can’t predict his success but really like his quickness. Can defend if he has the will. Every one wrote off Sincere last year but his quickness made him a defensive weapon and believe DGL has more offensive skills.
I agree.
I think it’s also important to be sure that the data is 100 percent telling you what you think it is telling you. Basketball analytics have revolutionized things but it is still in its infancy.
It has managed to kill off some sacred cows of the sport that probably needed to go. (And that’s mostly a good thing.) But I think it sometimes causes some babies to get thrown out with the bath water. Does it make EVERYTHING that worked yesterday necessarily bad? Well yeah it can be great at telling us what is most efficient. That makes it a very useful tool. But should we scheme everything around it? Not so fast?
Is Izzo a dummy for continuing to allow his team to shoot as many mid-range jumpers as he does? Analytics says he’s a fool?
Doesn’t the situational awareness play into it? At least a little?
How about personnel? Are you gonna tell Kevin Durant can’t shoot mid range 2s?
My point is…is there’s usually more to it?
So maybe we need analytics to analyze the analytics to analyze some more. I guess. Lol. Or just better analytics maybe?
How about a few NBA teams experimenting with zone defenses (of all things) to throw at the Golden State of 3-ball…type teams out there? Interesting isn’t it?
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With all due respect to their guards, the won the conference because they had a physical menace to the basketball world. Once the league/coaches discovered that once you press Purdue, their guards couldn't operate. See games vs Maryland, us in the second half, PSU in the BTT with about 5 minutes to go, then of course Fairleigh Dickinson. Their guards were specifically the reason that they faltered. That's what we face, as we look forward.
In the absence of any more additions, this is it and we'll see what we have with our fingers crossed.
Analytics are much more useful near the end of the season than at the beginning, obviously, due to the large sample size. I found them very useful during the NCAA tournament and, although they weren’t a sure fire method of determining who would win and who would lose, when looking over them after the tournament, the data pretty much told the story of what should’ve been expected from overall team play. Purdue-FDU was one of the few anomalies that didn’t sync.
It may be by committee. But the cavalier dismissal of him being able to contribute at all, may be premature.
It didn’t hold them back as a hard and fast obstacle they could not overcome. They had a bad game. Once again, Those same guards would beat FDU 90+/100.
I don't know about Torvik, but Ken Pomeroy is really forward and honest about his pre-season projections and his message is typically to ignore them as garbage in, garbage out. Projecting with zero current data isn't what these models are built to do.
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