Illini Basketball 2023-2024

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"Illinois has played up to expectations so far. As expected, the defense is elite. As expected, the offense can get shaky and a little stagnant with no true point guard and the continual free throw woes. But an elite defense with a Big Ten Player of the Year-caliber stud like Shannon can carry you an awfully long way in a Big Ten that has a host of questions after Purdue. No one is on Purdue’s level right now, but Illinois might be the best bet to finish second because the defense might be that good and Shannon has no business playing college basketball right now. He's a complete, utter manchild who is playing violent basketball. Shannon is the best wing in the Big Ten by a wide margin."

We all wish we had better shooters and a point guard. We don't have them. What we do have is one of the best defenses in the country and the best player on the court just about every night. It's not perfect, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. This team is really good and if things break the right way, can make some serious noise in March.
I agree, which is why I remain optimistic. Additionally, while our shooting over the course of the entire season simply will not be stellar, we do have the capability to get hot. For reference per Sports Reference (heh heh), our 2005 time shot it about 39% from three on 22.5 attempts per game. Last year we did get at least make over one third of our threes on multiple occasions (wins in orange, losses in blue):

52.6% at Wisconsin on 19 attempts
48.0% vs. #9 UCLA (Las Vegas, NV) on 25 attempts
43.5% vs. #2 Texas (New York, NY) on 23 attempts
42.4% vs. Monmouth on 33 attempts

42.1% vs. Indiana on 19 attempts
38.5% vs. Minnesota on 26 attempts
36.7% vs. Lindenwood on 30 attempts

34.6% vs. #19 Virginia (Las Vegas, NV) on 26 attempts
34.6% vs. Eastern Illinois on 26 attempts
33.3% vs. #10 Michigan State on 18 attempts


Now, needless to say that we also had games like at Ohio State (20.7% on 29 attempts) and Braggin' Rights (22.6% on 31 attempts) where it made your eyes want to bleed. But the point is that ideally this year we are not only a better shooting team but we will also not rely on shooting the three to win games Iowa style and we will not jack up forced threes due to an incohesive offense as much as we did last year. Our defense and athleticism will win us most of our games. If we are also shooting it well, we can beat anyone on a given night. Just for another reference, here are our games so far this year compared to the 2022-23 average and low:

40.0% on 25 attempts vs. Western Illinois
33.3% on 33 attempts vs. #4 Marquette
32.3% on 31 attempts vs. Eastern Illinois
32.1% on 28 attempts vs. Valparaiso
31.6% on 26 attempts for 2023-24 average
30.8% on 25 attempts for 2022-23 average

25.0% on 16 attempts vs. Oakland
25.0% on 20 attempts vs. Rutgers (2022-23)
22.7% on 22 attempts vs. Southern
22.6% on 31 attempts vs. Missouri (St. Louis, MO) (2022-23)
20.7% on 29 attempts at Ohio State (2022-23)
17.9% on 28 attempts vs. Ohio State (2022-23)
17.2% on 29 attempts vs. Nebraska (2022-23)

So while we are barely shooting it better than last year overall, I can find three silver lining/positive outlook takeaways:

1. Last year had some absolutely crazy performances such as Shannon going off vs. UCLA in Vegas. I'm not going to go through and recalculate the stats game by game, but I wonder just how bad our shooting was last year outside of a few outlier games where we got uncharacteristically hot. I do NOT anticipate such a variance in performance this year.

2. On that note, while we are barely above last year's average, we also haven't had quite as many awful performances, I guess? Still possibly too early to say. However...

3. In the games where we have not shot it that well this year, we have ALSO taken fewer attempts! I think I can speak for the majority of fans that I lost years off of my life last year watching us miss three after three and yet keep shooting them and not adjust our offensive approach. I have already seen a huge improvement in that regard with this year's team.

TL;DR

Shannon is indeed a beast, and I love our defense. If we can have consistency with those two things, we will give ourselves a chance even in nights where we are shooting poorly. Last year, we gave up 67.2 PPG (88th in the nation) and allowed opponents to shoot 41.6% from the field. So far this year, we are allowing 58.7 PPG (9th in the nation) and allowing opponents to shoot 34.0% from the field. Say what you want about cupcakes, we have also played Marquette, and our defense also passes the eye test!

If we DO get hot shooting ... look out.
 
#304      
"Illinois has played up to expectations so far. As expected, the defense is elite. As expected, the offense can get shaky and a little stagnant with no true point guard and the continual free throw woes. But an elite defense with a Big Ten Player of the Year-caliber stud like Shannon can carry you an awfully long way in a Big Ten that has a host of questions after Purdue. No one is on Purdue’s level right now, but Illinois might be the best bet to finish second because the defense might be that good and Shannon has no business playing college basketball right now. He's a complete, utter manchild who is playing violent basketball. Shannon is the best wing in the Big Ten by a wide margin."

We all wish we had better shooters and a point guard. We don't have them. What we do have is one of the best defenses in the country and the best player on the court just about every night. It's not perfect, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. This team is really good and if things break the right way, can make some serious noise in March.

Well, we do have TSJ who is clearly one of the most athletic players that Illinois basketball has ever had. Unquestionably one of the best. (See how easy that can be?!)
 
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skyIdub

Winged Warrior
He's been very durable so far, but as much as he hurls his body around (and at the speed he does it, mostly), I get anxiety every time he attacks.

For the guys he's attacking....

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#308      

Chad Fleck

Eureka, IL
I just want to get this out somewhere.

I love the look of these guys shooting motions:

Goode
Guerrier
Coleman - not so much the flatness it comes out with commonly
Hansberry - a really good looking shot for a young big
Gibbs

I do not like these shooting motions:

Domask (it's a really strange shooting motion for this level, way too out in front)
Shannon Jr. (I'm not arguing with his results, but it's a really strange shot)

I'm pretty indifferent towards the rest. But I'm interested to stoke some discussion around the topic if anyone else is interested.
 
#309      
I'm early to the party, but where is the official illini pregame/post-game for bragging rights this year. I'm ready
 
#312      
I just want to get this out somewhere.

I love the look of these guys shooting motions:

Goode
Guerrier
Coleman - not so much the flatness it comes out with commonly
Hansberry - a really good looking shot for a young big
Gibbs

I do not like these shooting motions:

Domask (it's a really strange shooting motion for this level, way too out in front)
Shannon Jr. (I'm not arguing with his results, but it's a really strange shot)

I'm pretty indifferent towards the rest. But I'm interested to stoke some discussion around the topic if anyone else is interested.
I will try to watch Domask more closely and look for the "way too out front" that you mentioned Chad.

It is good to keep in mind that, as basketball players, we use different shooting techniques based our shot types: layups, dunks, floaters/runners, bank shots, FTs, jump shots (5' to 25'), fall-away jumpers, jumpshot heaves (30'+), two-handed half-court-ish shots, 3/4-court baseball throws, other shots that I forgot to list, like finger rolls, opposite-hand shots, and so on.

So, I will assume you are talking mostly about jump shots (5' to 25'). But even there, a player's technique can change based on the proximity of the closest defenders and the defender's position relative to the shooter, and the defender's height, wingspan, and even timing on that defense (relative to the shot). Ideally, we as shooters are wide open with tons of time, but other times we have a defender with his hand almost in our face or almost blocking our shot in various ways: from the side, from behind, from in front, etc., so it is really very complex what technique we use as shooters.

Here, you might say, "Chill out, I meant wide-open." But then, what difference does it make, in that situation, if a guy holds the ball in front of his face (as Domask does as he draws his arms back and before he starts the forward motion of his arms)? Similarly, although you just called it "strange" above, what differences does it make if TSJ starts long jump shots with the ball down near his waist, rotating both his arms from waist high, to above his head during his shooting motion? I would say, "Not a whole lot", since he is doing this while "wide open", because that is what you said (based on my presumption at the start of this paragraph).

But then you might say, "Now I want to change the question and talk about a 6'4" defender, right in front of Domask or TSJ." Hmm, there, you might be getting to a good topic indeed. Is this why TSJ hasn't been quite as effective in his mid-range college shooting (yet, at least)? Maybe. And could that be part of the reason MD is struggling to score in volume at IL like he did at SIU (since he is getting fewer wide-open looks)? Maybe. We'll know more on Saturday after the Rutgers game and at the end of this season, so let's keep watching this. Thanks for pointing this out!
 
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