Illini Basketball 2024-2025

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People are making things WAY more difficult than they need to be and are coming to ridiculous conclusions.

When is the last time that we've had a healthy roster? In the games where we have been 100%, what's our record?

We are currently snake bit with injuries. The two guys that we simply could not afford to lose, both got sick/injured. Tomi has proven to be absolutely indispensable on both ends.

Let's get back to 100%(hopefully we can) and then let the chips fall where they may. I like our chances.

Look at UCONN right now without McNeely. Anyone questioning Hurley's coaching abilities?

Step off the ledge and don't look any farther into things than needed. The comments coming out of a few of you.....good grief.
The Season is far from being over. But the highest seed we could probably get if we win out is a 3. Most likely 6-10 based on recent results

If we get healthy no one will want to see us in their bracket. But she was the last time we were healthy. Also can we regain that momentum

Team needs to respond
 
#452      
How about roster construction. Fears on team and shown the door when he wanted to reclassify.

Recent decisions on playing time and stubbornness to move away from individuals makes one scratch head wondering what if….Fears was given a shot.
 
#453      
People are making things WAY more difficult than they need to be and are coming to ridiculous conclusions.

When is the last time that we've had a healthy roster? In the games where we have been 100%, what's our record?

We are currently snake bit with injuries. The two guys that we simply could not afford to lose, both got sick/injured. Tomi has proven to be absolutely indispensable on both ends.

Let's get back to 100%(hopefully we can) and then let the chips fall where they may. I like our chances.

Look at UCONN right now without McNeely. Anyone questioning Hurley's coaching abilities?

Step off the ledge and don't look any farther into things than needed. The comments coming out of a few of you.....good grief.
This is practically the party line. The injuries didn’t justify a single loss so far … we beat ourselves in all of those games by playing sloppy and having atrocious substitition patterns, including taking DGL after he willed us to OT on Thursday. We might have beat Nebraska or USC at full strength, but the argument we shouldn’t have beaten both anyway is just comically weak.
 
#454      
I’m gonna be honest, I think we’re going to see a serious shift in the Starting 5 and minute distribution against Ohio State. No evidence to back that up, it’s just the vibe I’m getting.
Is it via the iridescent rooftop antenna, or mediated by the glass of life? (Please take that with kindest regards! It is meant as a tease, one dieheard Illini fan to another).
 
#455      
Y'all, I get the frustration. I really do, especially re: DGL and his substitution patterns. But some of these sky-is-falling takes are just classic overreaction. This team has warts, yes. It's over-reliant on 3s, yes. But we've also had multiple games where we looked like absolute world beaters (and several games, like MSU, Tennessee, etc., where we lost to really good teams in a battle right to the last second). The problem is we're incredibly inconsistent. And guess what? We all should've expected that! Many of us did. We have 3 freshmen playing key roles and not enough high-level, upperclassmen as leaders that can pull us to consistent play single-handedly. Yesterday, Will had multiple slap-your-forehead plays followed by crazy high-level shot-making...that's the freshman experience for ya.

There's still plenty of time to turn this ship around. Do we have a team talented enough to make a deep run? Yes. Will they be consistent enough to actually win multiple games in a row? I doubt it. But hey, you never know. We are still a team in the conversation, and that gives me a lot of pride, even when they absolutely :poop: the bed. Unfortunately, that happens. It's happened almost every year we've had a great team ('21, '24). Plenty of games where we barely scrape out a win solely on the back of Ayo or TSJ. We don't have an upperclass version of Ayo or TSJ on this team. Guys are going to have bad games. It is what it is. It's not enjoyable, but please stop acting like the season is over on January 31st -- there's a lot more to go and a lot more still to fight for.

Rant over.
Pretty much true. But the despair arises from coaching. You notably don't address that.
 
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The Season is far from being over. But the highest seed we could probably get if we win out is a 3. Most likely 6-10 based on recent results

If we get healthy no one will want to see us in their bracket. But she was the last time we were healthy. Also can we regain that momentum

Team needs to respond
I agree that people won't want to see us.

I also think we'll be one of the most popular picks to be upset in the first round.

Maybe we'll start showing consistency. But right the game we bring on any given night is a crap shoot.
 
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But I’d hope a veteran coach with feedback from trusted assistants could manage to be both a “true believer” and a clear-eyed evaluator.
Obviously Geoff and OA are here as “trusted assistants” with an outside perspective, but I will say I’ve always been a tad uneasy about the level of trust/input that Tyler and Hamer (seemingly Tyler’s good buddy), among others, have with BU. I’m not saying those guys are not qualified, but that youth and, by all appearances, nepotism, when contrasted with losing quality assistants like Chet and TA, doesn’t exactly instill confidence. Would either of those guys be hired as assistants at Michigan or Purdue or even Vanderbilt tomorrow, if they wanted the job? My gut says no.
 
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Yep, time to adjust Bens role. With the B10 regular season title basically gone it is time to focus on doing what we can to prepare for the B10 Tournament and March. We may take an L in order to provide some guys more minutes. Ben needs to lose his tick and play our at projected NBA 1st rounders so they get experience playing together. The regular season title is outta reach. They are 18 and 19 years old and Will especailly needs to play in games to gain confidence and adjust. We need to do whatever we can to put the potentially best team on the floor in March. I feel to do that Will, Morez, Tomi, KJ need to play more together. Will especailly needs time to adjust and if he plays 25 or more minutes a game we may lose a game ir two but come March he likely will give us the best chance to win later when Tomi gets back. So BU please play Will over Ben or Davis. The regular season championship is outta reach now, let's focus on realistic goals and make moves to achieve them.
Will played more than Ben last night and took twice as many shots. But Ben got 3 more RBs and 2 more blocks, while Will was caught looking as his guy cut to the basket for a layup on more than one occasion. We are probably going to need both Ben and Will to go anywhere in the postseason. Got to play them both as no guarantee Will going to find his D anytime soon.
 
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I have been just as down as many of you after last night's performance and I have deep concerns about the future of this season's team. But one of our newest Big Ten rivals might be what we should be looking towards as a symbol of optimism that things can turn around.

Less than three weeks ago, UCLA had just lost its fourth straight game, making it five losses in their last six, including a blowout loss to Maryland and an 8 point road loss to Nebraska. Sound familiar?

Mick Cronin went on several rants calling his entire team and coaching staff soft, making excuses about having to travel so far east and playing games on Peacock, while touting his career wins record.

Now the Bruins have won five in a row and look like a team nobody wants to face.

Not saying that is something any team can replicate or that they will even continue to play that well the rest of the way. But it shows that a lot can happen in a month and a half.

I believe they have the time and the talent to right the ship. Adjustments need to be made and it's up to Brad, the staff and the players to make it happen.
Damn Peacock! That’s the real problem here.

Keep calm and carry on.
 
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There have been a few posters acting like those of us acting like the Nebraska loss is a VERY big deal that speaks to systemic issues with this team are overreacting - overly emotional in the wake of a loss, and we'll ~regain our senses~ after a good night's sleep. Well, I would like to show what concerns me so much about this team. I posted this in the Nebraska pregame thread of our overall shooting and three-point shooting. Well, here's the new list with Nebraska. Averages are pre-Nebraska, since I didn't redo the whole thing. Orange wins and blue losses, like last time.

FIELD GOALS
57.5% at #16 Oregon
52.6% vs. Arkansas (Kansas City, MO)
47.0% at Washington

46.5% in average win
45.1% vs. #4 Alabama (Birmingham, AL)
44.6% vs. Northwestern
44.2% vs. Penn State
43.9% vs. #20 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)

42.9% in average game
42.4% at #7 Michigan State
42.2% vs. #17 Wisconsin
40.0% at Indiana

38.2% in average loss
37.7% vs. Maryland
37.3% at Northwestern
37.1% vs. USC
35.6% at Nebraska
29.4% vs. #8 Tennessee


THREE-POINTERS
55.2% at #16 Oregon
48.4% vs. Arkansas (Kansas City, MO)
34.8% in average win (obviously driven up by Oregon!)
34.4% at Indiana

33.3% vs. #4 Alabama (Birmingham, AL)
32.3% vs. Penn State
30.8% vs. #20 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)
30.3% vs. #17 Wisconsin

30.0% in average game
28.1% vs. Northwestern
26.5% at Northwestern
23.8% at Nebraska

23.6% in average loss
21.9% vs. USC
21.4% vs. Maryland
20.8% at #7 Michigan State

19.2% at Washington
17.4% vs. #8 Tennessee

So yeah ... you can't shoot 35.6% from the field and win most days. And giving up 17 points off of 17 turnovers is a recipe for losing. And blown defensive assignments on top of any other issues are going to make it impossible to win. However, what scares me to DEATH about this team is that they don't seem to have that "grind it out" mode to adjust when the shots aren't falling. When we started off like 2-20 from three or something so ridiculously bad, what changed about our game plan, our effort, how careful we were with the ball, etc.? Literally nothing.

I would wager the reason many people have become terribly pessimistic going forward is the answer to this question: How do we respond if our shots aren't falling while our opponent's are, digging us an 8-point deficit or so in the first half? That is literally bound to happen to every team. If the answer isn't to sharpen up mentally and step up the overall effort, we will lose every game where that happens, because we lack any hope of staging a comeback if that is the case! And guess what? That is exactly what has happened. Here are our Big Ten wins this year and the largest deficits we faced in each...

W 86-80 vs. Wisconsin ... trailed by 4 with 8:57 in first half
W 109-77 at Oregon ... trailed by 5 with 16:05 in first half
W 81-77 at Washington ... never trailed once
W 91-52 vs. Penn State ... trailed by 6 with 14:29 in first half
W 94-69 at Indiana ... trailed by 1 with 18:05 in first half
W 83-74 vs. Northwestern ... trailed by 1 with 18:20 in first half

Obviously there is nothing wrong with blowing teams out, but we clearly aren't doing that very often ... or we wouldn't be just 6-5 in conference play. So what worries me about not trailing by any material amount in any of our wins?? Well, we haven't had a game where we were seemingly off and got it together. And if that is your MO as a team, you will not go far. If we are having a good shooting day and everyone is feeling it, we will simply beat the other team the vast majority of the time, hardly ever trailing besides earlier in the first half. But if we have an off day like EVERY TEAM DOES?? It seems like we just fold. MSU was a bit of an anomaly given the fouls on KJ, but look at our last 3 Big Ten losses:

L 72-82 vs. USC ... we never led again after 17:32 in the second half and spent the vast majority of the game trailing by 5-8
L 70-91 vs. Maryland ... last lead was by 1 with 12:29 left in the first half and then Maryland methodically expanded its lead until it got to embarrassing territory
L 74-80 at Nebraska ... never led once and sent it to OT because Nebraska had NO business ever being up in the first place (at which point we got outscored 8-0 before a garbage time layup made it 8-2...)

So there you have it visually ... so far, you pretty much know if we are going to win or lose a couple minutes in, and that is VERY frustrating and alarming as a fan. We have not shown one ounce of grit to respond to adversity and tough out a win when our pretty three pointers end up as bricks or our dazzling moves to the basket twirl off of the rim for misses. Our response to "our game" not going well ... is to keep playing our game in the exact same way, thinking that eventually the shots will fall. And teams like that, more often than not, end up as a 7-10 seed and in the Second Round on a good day. That's not good enough for Illinois Basketball. And, of course, the cherry on top is that the body language from this group (with a couple exceptions like DGL, bless his soul!) and the decision making of this staff just frankly seem to indicate that THEY don't see what's going on as unacceptable. They might be bummed out, they obviously want to win, they know they can play better, etc .... but they're not angry. They're not disgusted. Or they're at least not enough of either one to flip a switch and improve things. And we the fans rightfully are both angry and disgusted, so there's your disconnect.
How do you know the bolded?
 
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This is practically the party line. The injuries didn’t justify a single loss so far … we beat ourselves in all of those games by playing sloppy and having atrocious substitition patterns, including taking DGL after he willed us to OT on Thursday. We might have beat Nebraska or USC at full strength, but the argument we shouldn’t have beaten both anyway is just comically weak.
Injuries/illness may not justify the loss, but they would almost certain have been wins otherwise. How much did our Elite 8 team whoop up on Nebby last year at home. Oh wait a minute it went to OT and we barely squeaked out a win and we had TSJ. No team plays to its potential every night - having a team at full strength allows you to better overcome those nights when things not going right.

I understand that as fans we had these guys winning the National Championship after the Oregon, Penn State and Indiana games. The ceiling remains high, but it is fragile - we need everyone playing. We don't have a backup equivalent to Tomi that can stretch the floor - Morez is great, but he is not going to draw the opponent's big man out past the FT line.
 
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Will played more than Ben last night and took twice as many shots. But Ben got 3 more RBs and 2 more blocks, while Will was caught looking as his guy cut to the basket for a layup on more than one occasion. We are probably going to need both Ben and Will to go anywhere in the postseason. Got to play them both as no guarantee Will going to find his D anytime soon.
I think defense off the ball is pretty commonly not good among high school recruits. Most of these d1 recruits were high school studs and scorers with not much emphasis on defense let alone off the ball d, especially in AAU. Riley seems to put in the effort and plays pretty good on ball d. Once he gets up to speed on defense off the ball I think he will also put in the effort. He wasn't the only one getting killed on back cuts and not keeping up with the shooters against Nebraska. The only way Essegian gets open is by running around like a chicken with his head cut off till someone looses him. We obliged him several times. Too many mental mistakes on defense.
 
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Good height not very athletic.

DGL is really the only player with any explosion. You could make arguments that White and Morez are above average athletes for their size and position but that's it.

Kasparis has a solid first step and understands how to play with pace at least.

That's about it. None of Boswell, Riley, Tomi, Humrichous, or Davis are good athletes for their position.

Kind of a sharp contrast to last year where you had the best athlete on the court at all times in Shannon plus Hawkins, Guerrier, and Ty on the court for heavy minutes. Just kind of bullied opposing teams with size and athleticism last year.
Exactly right.
We are skilled, but not terribly athletic. Definitely not nearly as athletic as last year.
 
#467      
Pretty much true. But the despair arises from coaching. You notably don't address that.
The first thing I acknowledge is that I understand the frustration with substitution patterns, a key part of coaching. I get that there are other concerns. I’m not ready to throw in the towel on those, since BU has been shown willingness to change/adjust (within a season, definitely NOT within a game). But we know he’s a stubborn man at times when he’s identified a strategy he likes (see UCONN and continuing to throw themselves at Clingan), so I understand the skepticism/frustration.
 
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I agree that people won't want to see us.

I also think we'll be one of the most popular picks to be upset in the first round.

Maybe we'll start showing consistency. But right the game we bring on any given night is a crap shoot.
Hence the saying that we can beat anyone and we can also lose to anyone because of our serial inconsistency.
 
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How about roster construction. Fears on team and shown the door when he wanted to reclassify.

Recent decisions on playing time and stubbornness to move away from individuals makes one scratch head wondering what if….Fears was given a shot.
Fears and KJ backcourt would have been wild. Everything that Boswell lacks is Fears strength, quick crafty and always getting his man of the dribble. Unfortunately it seems like we lost him due to coach’s stubbornness.
 
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This is practically the party line. The injuries didn’t justify a single loss so far … we beat ourselves in all of those games by playing sloppy and having atrocious substitition patterns, including taking DGL after he willed us to OT on Thursday. We might have beat Nebraska or USC at full strength, but the argument we shouldn’t have beaten both anyway is just comically weak.
I can't disagree with that. I could MAYBE argue USC because the KJ issue came out of absolutely nowhere. We were all surprised. When you lose the PG, you lose the head to the snake.

Nebraska, that was just awful. However, if you put 13/10 in the lineup with his ability to make things happen out of the post......we win by 20+. We had no depth, MJ picked up the 2nd foul, so we REALLY had no depth and we were down to shooting the three, which has been worse than anyone thought we could possibly have been. This has gone on for weeks and when you eliminate TI from that.....now we're REALLY bad.

He just does so much and we were hitting our stride. We weren't just winning and beating good teams, but we were beating them big. The offense was smooth, the defense got us out in transition, which is when we're at our best and we flat out got the best out of our players.

There's a lot of attacking on Ben, but when that dude is hot, he's scalding hot. Watching him against NW(at home) and PSU(at home) was incredible. However, you see him at Nebraska and it's horrific. It's easy for us, as fans, to just dump guys, but we're not at practice. What if Ben is the true leader? What if he's the leader in huddles? What if he sets out defense and communicates? We just don't know. We're a team of what's proving to be terrible shooters. As bad as Thursday was, he's still out best. We're overthinking it THOUGH I think that DGL should have been in on that last play of the game. Maybe Brad figured that Ben stretched the floor and opened the paint? Just don't know.

That was way too long winded. The takeaway is that let's get whole before we start bringing the guillotine out. To be, the FAR BIGGEST question is.....do we get TI back this year. Insiders? If so, we'll be there at the end. If not......we've got enormous problems. That's how important he is.

Hopefully, we're at full capacity in the next week or so. If so, then let's make judgement. I want to see this team with all guns blazing again. No more injuries or illness.
 
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College basketball is tough. The season is a grind. And at the end of the day, half of these guys are kids. Ups and downs should be the expectation.

Sure but I would not be looking at Fears and saying he's no doubt upgrade over Boswell or that the team needs what Fears brings more than Boswell. I think we would actually lose out on that trade.
 
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