Studying and getting hungry to grindNo Mirk playing in these highlights, correct? Just standing, holding the ball and watching…
Studying and getting hungry to grindNo Mirk playing in these highlights, correct? Just standing, holding the ball and watching…
It appears big Z did by the video they just postedI need to know who won that Z-AMFS conflict
Stojakovic was 2nd on the team in scoring. Mirk was 3rd.There have been multiple national outlets that have tagged Mirk as their potential player of the year. He's 4th in betting odds for the player of the year. But yes, the a message board poster who said if Mirk averages a whopping 0.1 more points per game than Keaton, he would then be considered a possible NPOY, is way over the top.
is this team gonna defend? I have almost no concern on the offensive end. Last year the team stepped up the defensive end during the NCAA tourney but that was also after having 4 bad defensive performances out of our last 5 games heading into the tourney.
Our defensive principles are simple:They'll be good at defense. The question is, top 15-20 good, or 20-30 good.
Difference between final four threat and one of a select few national title favorites
There’s room to improve and be an elite defensive rebounding team.Our defensive principles are simple:
• limit shots at the rim (4th in rim attempt rate allowed)
• don’t foul (1st in free throw rate allowed)
• finish possessions with a defensive rebound (27th in OREB rate allowed)
Continue to do those 3 things at a high level, and we’ll be a very good defense.
Illini will be "old." Should be competent on the defensive end. When I see these scriimmages, I sometimes wonder if Jakstys might be ready to help this year. I also always like what I see from Davis. He looks like the kind of glue guy that top teams always seem to have.There’s room to improve and be an elite defensive rebounding team.
We don’t press and extend our defense. So, rebounding is something we should be very good at.
Ironically for what I’m about to say, you mentioned 3 metrics, but I started considering last year if our defensive philosophy doesn’t translate well to the overall rating metrics like on KenPom, Trovik, and Miya. The teams higher on that list forced turnovers at a much higher rate, and that among other seemed to carry more weight in the ratings? Everyone talked about Michigan and MSU having the highest defenses last year, and us being “awful” (top 25 still but alright lol; just not top 5 like our offense). But as you point out we were elite in the things baked into our defensive philosophy. Rim protection, not forcing easy points via fouling, and rebound rate. We didn’t hunt turnovers which killed our rankings, but we did apply a tight pressure passed half court that allowed us to control pace and prevent teams from making an offensive play. Barring a quick shot that fortunately went in, or a breakaway, we held teams quite well.Our defensive principles are simple:
• limit shots at the rim (4th in rim attempt rate allowed)
• don’t foul (1st in free throw rate allowed)
• finish possessions with a defensive rebound (27th in OREB rate allowed)
Continue to do those 3 things at a high level, and we’ll be a very good defense.
The key is applying these philosophies and beating UConn and MSU this year. Both have had our lunch the past few years so for our defense and team overall to be solidified in the title conversation caliber, we’ve got to win MSU at home and UConn on neutral site.Ironically for what I’m about to say, you mentioned 3 metrics, but I started considering last year if our defensive philosophy doesn’t translate well to the overall rating metrics like on KenPom, Trovik, and Miya. The teams higher on that list forced turnovers at a much higher rate, and that among other seemed to carry more weight in the ratings? Everyone talked about Michigan and MSU having the highest defenses last year, and us being “awful” (top 25 still but alright lol; just not top 5 like our offense). But as you point out we were elite in the things baked into our defensive philosophy. Rim protection, not forcing easy points via fouling, and rebound rate. We didn’t hunt turnovers which killed our rankings, but we did apply a tight pressure passed half court that allowed us to control pace and prevent teams from making an offensive play. Barring a quick shot that fortunately went in, or a breakaway, we held teams quite well.
It’s one where I think our pure overall rating doesn’t come out as high, nor tell the full story. We’re better than our rating on defense, but pundits and people like to keep it simple and go off of one true number to quote.
I don’t know if MSU has eaten our lunch. Last year we led most of the game and would have won if we could have secured a defensive rebound. 2 years ago in East Lansing was the epic KJ screw job (aided by Izzo) and then in Champaign we were a shell of ourselves with injuries/illnesses.The key is applying these philosophies and beating UConn and MSU this year. Both have had our lunch the past few years so for our defense and team overall to be solidified in the title conversation caliber, we’ve got to win MSU at home and UConn on neutral site.
Beating Duke at Cameron is another story and honestly that’s going to be a tough win no matter what. The last time Duke lost at home was in 2024 so if we pulled that off it would be meteoric
The defense last year registered quite well in overall efficiency when you consider how poorly rated they were the previous two years. It's not a defense designed to disrupt or generate offense, it's a defense designed to do some basic things very well allowing the offense to outscore. We will not a win a game with our defense.The key is applying these philosophies and beating UConn and MSU this year. Both have had our lunch the past few years so for our defense and team overall to be solidified in the title conversation caliber, we’ve got to win MSU at home and UConn on neutral site.
Beating Duke at Cameron is another story and honestly that’s going to be a tough win no matter what. The last time Duke lost at home was in 2024 so if we pulled that off it would be meteoric
The defense last year registered quite well in overall efficiency when you consider how poorly rated they were the previous two years. It's not a defense designed to disrupt or generate offense, it's a defense designed to do some basic things very well allowing the offense to outscore. We will not a win a game with our defense.
I'm honing in on the UConn game as a barometer to see if we can figure that scheme out and/or Brad has any adjustments ready. 0-3 w/2 tourney exits and 3 lowest scoring games in last 3 years really makes me want to win that one. We'll have already played TT & Duke at that point, they'll have played Ohio St, @Zona, Michigan and Duke. I'm guessing neither comes without a loss, but not matter. They are playing a guantlet this year, Good God.
We had MSU beat on the road last year.
The important thing he points out, is that a team’s 3 point % defense is way more tied to their 2 point % defense than we all realize.Insightful Kenpom article:
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KenPom: Shooting and defending the 3 is random business (i.e., relax! It's early)
Looking back at the last three seasons collectively, early 3-point shooting defense may not be inconsequential, but it’s close to it.www.nytimes.com
(it's free)
I may be misinterpreting your thoughts, but I'd say it the other way around: we were great at a few things on defense, but those things don't tell the full story (the efficiency metrics do, though of course season averages don't predict how you match up against a particular team).Ironically for what I’m about to say, you mentioned 3 metrics, but I started considering last year if our defensive philosophy doesn’t translate well to the overall rating metrics like on KenPom, Trovik, and Miya. The teams higher on that list forced turnovers at a much higher rate, and that among other seemed to carry more weight in the ratings? Everyone talked about Michigan and MSU having the highest defenses last year, and us being “awful” (top 25 still but alright lol; just not top 5 like our offense). But as you point out we were elite in the things baked into our defensive philosophy. Rim protection, not forcing easy points via fouling, and rebound rate. We didn’t hunt turnovers which killed our rankings, but we did apply a tight pressure passed half court that allowed us to control pace and prevent teams from making an offensive play. Barring a quick shot that fortunately went in, or a breakaway, we held teams quite well.
It’s one where I think our pure overall rating doesn’t come out as high, nor tell the full story. We’re better than our rating on defense, but pundits and people like to keep it simple and go off of one true number to quote.
The fact that you mentioned 3 games should be all the answer we need.I don’t know if MSU has eaten our lunch. Last year we led most of the game and would have won if we could have secured a defensive rebound. 2 years ago in East Lansing was the epic KJ screw job (aided by Izzo) and then in Champaign we were a shell of ourselves with injuries/illnesses.
Yeah all good points. Maybe there's a better phrase I could've used. But in terms of being at the top of the B1G, I suppose MSU feels like a symbolic over-the-hump win since we've lost 4 straight to them.I don’t know if MSU has eaten our lunch. Last year we led most of the game and would have won if we could have secured a defensive rebound. 2 years ago in East Lansing was the epic KJ screw job (aided by Izzo) and then in Champaign we were a shell of ourselves with injuries/illnesses.
There are way more than 6 better student sections than the Orange Krush.
Yes we have a 3 or 4 game losing streak or whatever it is to MSU, and I don’t like it. But with the exception of the 2025 game at State Farm where we were a shell of ourselves (and even in that game think we had a double digit early lead), they’ve all been close games and we’ve had a little bit of bad luck/flukiness/Izzo deciding he didn’t want our best player to play so had his guys make a concerted effort to jump into KJ and the refs going “oh you’re trying to get KJ off the floor with foul trouble? Cool!”/Izzo’s best player who has a reputation for dirty plays just made another dirty play but we are going to look the other way cuz Izzo! type of things happen.The fact that you mentioned 3 games should be all the answer we need.