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#MirthfulMirkI'm going to go out on a limb and say we're going to get some Tier 1 sound bites from Mirk from this haha
#MirthfulMirkI'm going to go out on a limb and say we're going to get some Tier 1 sound bites from Mirk from this haha
Actually it's interesting that Keene and Gee, both of whom were recruited pretty hard by Duke.No we did not. It was at Duke. We had Keene, Garris, Notre, Gee, etc. We beat them there. Gee had an offer from Duke but chose Illinois. We never beat them at home.
Mirk at Media Day…….
My brother was at Bradley when they had that stretch in the zenith of the Missouri Valley where they were good (made a sweet 16), and it was one of the only college stadiums at that time where you could buy beer (since they play off campus). Those student sections got WILD.Separate NIL fund just for covering a round of beer for (those of age in) the student section. Make it a live donation too, so as viewers on TV see the students mellowing out, they can inject funding into making the place hostile.
(Fully sarcastic)
Interesting that Mirk’s injury recovery was the only negative on them. Thought we would hear about the lack of a point guard! I did love the assessment of Duke that you can only play five at a time and you don’t have a star.3 of the better CBB voices
That is the catch with them - also that Williams was not happy being recruited over (drrrr) and that Rippey was fully expecting to start. Seems the land of opulent may not be all that hunky dory. Good to see Scheyer building his rep of bamboozling 5*. Let's see how that plays out for him going forward.Interesting that Mirk’s injury recovery was the only negative on them. Thought we would hear about the lack of a point guard! I did love the assessment of Duke that you can only play five at a time and you don’t have a star.
Interesting that Mirk’s injury recovery was the only negative on them. Thought we would hear about the lack of a point guard! I did love the assessment of Duke that you can only play five at a time and you don’t have a star.
Wasn't Shaun Pruitt on that years team?I remember that well. I think it was Richard Keene who came up big. Or maybe I'm confused.
Actually, Scharnowski played at Belmont in the Missouri Valley and he was pretty impressive in the games I saw him play against the Salukis. Unless he can really improve on that 43% free throw number, his usage might be fairly limited.Nobody is underestimating Scharnowski here, I stated he's a guy who averaged 10 & 6 in the Horizon league. That isn't even an opinion, but merely a citation of his production and at what level.
Arizona's frontcourt is not better if you think it's just Krivas and Holmes. They have Kharchenkov and Godfrey as well. That's 2 players returning from a F4 team and another player coming from a 24-11 tournament team in which he was their best player and leading scorer. That is a wealth of tested depth in comparison to Duke.
Actually, Scharnowski played at Belmont in the Missouri Valley and he was pretty impressive in the games I saw him play against the Salukis. Unless he can really improve on that 43% free throw number, his usage might be fairly limited.
That attempt to dunk on Z in early summer practice was a promising sign of how much he had physically progressed even from March to June.
Hard to beleive a kid from Central High School in Burlington, IL is playing at Duke on a scholarship.Actually, Scharnowski played at Belmont in the Missouri Valley and he was pretty impressive in the games I saw him play against the Salukis. Unless he can really improve on that 43% free throw number, his usage might be fairly limited.
Poor athletes are generally prone to taking mid range shots because they can't get to the basket. So, it's not a surprise to see Keaton and Mirk up there.He was not. Kylan took 17.8% of his shots from mid range, which was only 4th amongst our eight rotation players.
Andrej took the most mid range, followed by Mirk, followed by Keaton, and then Boswell.
i see your long posts and then all i see is this:Very long post incoming, lol ... but the gist of it is this:
1) I was thinking today how other than some of the obvious talking points (e.g., Illinois and MSU will be very good), I really don't have a good feel for how the Big Ten pecking order will shake out, at least to start the season. So, I took some time just comparing a few preseason rankings I found to try to come up with a composite for the top of the league.
2) Obviously making it back to the Final Four and of course winning the National Championship are the main goals, but I personally would really like to take advantage of this season to hoist another Big Ten regular season championship banner, myself! So, using the rankings I could find, I tried to group our Big Ten games into tiers.
1) Preseason Rankings
DISCLAIMER - I might be woefully ignorant of which sources I should have included vs. my rather lame method of simply Googling preseason rankings and looking for links people have posted here, AND a lot of these could be outdated given news that came out since these rankings were published regarding certain players.
CBS Preseason Top 25 and 1
#3 Illinois
#7 Michigan State
#16 Michigan
#20 UCLA
#22 USC
#25 Purdue
#26 Indiana
EvanMiya Preseason Top 30
(IL Post With Full Big Ten Rankings)
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#15 Michigan
#21 UCLA
#25 Nebraska
#33 Ohio State
#34 Purdue
#36 USC
#37 Wisconsin
#41 Maryland
#47 Iowa
#51 Indiana
#54 Oregon
#61 Minnesota
#67 Washington
#92 Rutgers
#93 Northwestern
#101 Penn State
Bart Torvik T-Rank
#6 Illinois
#10 Michigan State
#14 Michigan
#16 Nebraska
#17 Ohio State
#22 Purdue
#23 UCLA
#29 Indiana
#30 USC
#32 Oregon
#37 Maryland
#46 Iowa
#49 Wisconsin
#66 Washington
#72 Rutgers
#76 Northwestern
#78 Minnesota
#106 Penn State
Andy Katz's Power 44
#3 Michigan State
#4 Illinois
#16 Michigan
#20 USC
#25 Nebraska
#26 Purdue
#29 UCLA
#35 Wisconsin
#37 Indiana
#43 Iowa
ESPN's Way-Too-Early Top 25
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#11 USC
#20 Michigan
#23 UCLA
CBK Report August Power 40 (Instagram - cbkreport)
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#16 Michigan
#19 Nebraska
#24 UCLA
#25 USC
#27 Ohio State
#28 Purdue
#30 Indiana
#35 Maryland
#39 Wisconsin
#40 Iowa
Anywho, it seems things BROADLY break down into these tiers:
Tier 1 - Illinois and Michigan State ... consistently top 5 or top 10 and significantly higher than the rest of the league.
Tier 2 - Michigan ... nearly always third behind MSU and us but also less speculative than, say, a USC.
Tier 3 - UCLA, USC and Nebraska ... usually ranked ahead of the rest of the pack, though it depends on the rankings.
Tier 4 - Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, Maryland and Ohio State ... teams forming the middle of the league that at least some analysts have predicted will be better than expected.
Tier 5 - Everyone else.
2) Winning a Big Ten Regular Season Championship
So, while crazy stuff happens every single year and that's why we love college hoops, I'll use these rough tiers (along with other factors like where the games are being played, etc.) to group our schedule into tiers.
Tier 1 - Whether we are favored or not, these are the losses you can absolutely afford but the wins that solidify a #1 seed come Selection Sunday.
- at Michigan
- vs. Michigan State
Tier 2 - The road wins that define an elite resume and win you conference championships. A loss won't hurt you, but stacking these wins is what gets a team a top 3 seed and a good path to the Final Four. Including Maryland due to a history of bad juju, lol...
- at Purdue
- at Wisconsin
- at Indiana
- at Maryland
Tier 3 - Classic "protect your home court" games. These teams are definitely capable of beating us on paper, but none of them is so good that we should allow them to waltz into the House of 'Paign and walk away with a W.
- vs. USC
- vs. UCLA
- vs. Nebraska
Tier 4 - Purdue is a good team, but we should beat them in Champaign. Minnesota is a lot worse than us on paper, but they're scrappy and it's on the road. We might not go undefeated in these games, but in isolation ... we'll all be expecting a win heading into each one, and a loss would be a Sportscenter-worthy upset.
- vs. Iowa
- vs. Purdue
- vs. Wisconsin
- at Minnesota
- at Washington
- at Oregon
- vs. Ohio State
Tier 5 - For one reason or another, we simply must win these games. And I expect we will win all of them.
- at Northwestern
- at Rutgers
- vs. Northwestern
- vs. Penn State
So if you took my categories as meaningful whatsoever, you could put our expected wins / losses something like this.
Tier 1: 1-1 (just roll with it!)
Tier 2: 2-2 (could easily be better or worse, of course)
Tier 3: 3-0 (need to protect home court in these ones)
Tier 4: 6-1 (upsets happen!)
Tier 5: 4-0
That would get us to 16-4, and this is obviously assuming that we get upset in one of the Tier 4 games and split the Tier 2 road games ... and we can obviously do better in both of those. For context, these are the records that earned a Big Ten regular season championship since 2019-20:
2026: 19-1 (Michigan)
2025: 17-3 (Michigan State)
2024: 17-3 (Purdue)
2023: 15-5 (Purdue)
2022: 15-5 (Illinois and Wisconsin)
2021: 14-3* (Michigan) and 16-4* (Illinois)
2020: 14-6 (Wisconsin, Michigan State and Maryland)
2026 Michigan was a pretty obvious fluke as far as what we usually expect for a Big Ten champ, and the jumbled mess of 2020 is also unlikely to be repeated with this year's lineup of teams, IMO. So I would say the Big Ten champ will have between 2-5 losses, with 3-4 being the most likely. Do we think a 16-4 record gets us a share of the title? Or do we think MSU, Michigan or some other player would force us to need to get to 17-3?
It seems like we have a pretty lucky draw this year in terms of strength of schedule home/road, especially compared to MSU. If you reference current Torvik rankings, we have 5 current top 25 opponents at home and only 2 on the road. Conversely, if you look at MSU's home/road schedule, they have 1 current top 25 team to play at home and 5 on the road.Very long post incoming, lol ... but the gist of it is this:
1) I was thinking today how other than some of the obvious talking points (e.g., Illinois and MSU will be very good), I really don't have a good feel for how the Big Ten pecking order will shake out, at least to start the season. So, I took some time just comparing a few preseason rankings I found to try to come up with a composite for the top of the league.
2) Obviously making it back to the Final Four and of course winning the National Championship are the main goals, but I personally would really like to take advantage of this season to hoist another Big Ten regular season championship banner, myself! So, using the rankings I could find, I tried to group our Big Ten games into tiers.
1) Preseason Rankings
DISCLAIMER - I might be woefully ignorant of which sources I should have included vs. my rather lame method of simply Googling preseason rankings and looking for links people have posted here, AND a lot of these could be outdated given news that came out since these rankings were published regarding certain players.
CBS Preseason Top 25 and 1
#3 Illinois
#7 Michigan State
#16 Michigan
#20 UCLA
#22 USC
#25 Purdue
#26 Indiana
EvanMiya Preseason Top 30
(IL Post With Full Big Ten Rankings)
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#15 Michigan
#21 UCLA
#25 Nebraska
#33 Ohio State
#34 Purdue
#36 USC
#37 Wisconsin
#41 Maryland
#47 Iowa
#51 Indiana
#54 Oregon
#61 Minnesota
#67 Washington
#92 Rutgers
#93 Northwestern
#101 Penn State
Bart Torvik T-Rank
#6 Illinois
#10 Michigan State
#14 Michigan
#16 Nebraska
#17 Ohio State
#22 Purdue
#23 UCLA
#29 Indiana
#30 USC
#32 Oregon
#37 Maryland
#46 Iowa
#49 Wisconsin
#66 Washington
#72 Rutgers
#76 Northwestern
#78 Minnesota
#106 Penn State
Andy Katz's Power 44
#3 Michigan State
#4 Illinois
#16 Michigan
#20 USC
#25 Nebraska
#26 Purdue
#29 UCLA
#35 Wisconsin
#37 Indiana
#43 Iowa
ESPN's Way-Too-Early Top 25
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#11 USC
#20 Michigan
#23 UCLA
CBK Report August Power 40 (Instagram - cbkreport)
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#16 Michigan
#19 Nebraska
#24 UCLA
#25 USC
#27 Ohio State
#28 Purdue
#30 Indiana
#35 Maryland
#39 Wisconsin
#40 Iowa
Anywho, it seems things BROADLY break down into these tiers:
Tier 1 - Illinois and Michigan State ... consistently top 5 or top 10 and significantly higher than the rest of the league.
Tier 2 - Michigan ... nearly always third behind MSU and us but also less speculative than, say, a USC.
Tier 3 - UCLA, USC and Nebraska ... usually ranked ahead of the rest of the pack, though it depends on the rankings.
Tier 4 - Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, Maryland and Ohio State ... teams forming the middle of the league that at least some analysts have predicted will be better than expected.
Tier 5 - Everyone else.
2) Winning a Big Ten Regular Season Championship
So, while crazy stuff happens every single year and that's why we love college hoops, I'll use these rough tiers (along with other factors like where the games are being played, etc.) to group our schedule into tiers.
Tier 1 - Whether we are favored or not, these are the losses you can absolutely afford but the wins that solidify a #1 seed come Selection Sunday.
- at Michigan
- vs. Michigan State
Tier 2 - The road wins that define an elite resume and win you conference championships. A loss won't hurt you, but stacking these wins is what gets a team a top 3 seed and a good path to the Final Four. Including Maryland due to a history of bad juju, lol...
- at Purdue
- at Wisconsin
- at Indiana
- at Maryland
Tier 3 - Classic "protect your home court" games. These teams are definitely capable of beating us on paper, but none of them is so good that we should allow them to waltz into the House of 'Paign and walk away with a W.
- vs. USC
- vs. UCLA
- vs. Nebraska
Tier 4 - Purdue is a good team, but we should beat them in Champaign. Minnesota is a lot worse than us on paper, but they're scrappy and it's on the road. We might not go undefeated in these games, but in isolation ... we'll all be expecting a win heading into each one, and a loss would be a Sportscenter-worthy upset.
- vs. Iowa
- vs. Purdue
- vs. Wisconsin
- at Minnesota
- at Washington
- at Oregon
- vs. Ohio State
Tier 5 - For one reason or another, we simply must win these games. And I expect we will win all of them.
- at Northwestern
- at Rutgers
- vs. Northwestern
- vs. Penn State
So if you took my categories as meaningful whatsoever, you could put our expected wins / losses something like this.
Tier 1: 1-1 (just roll with it!)
Tier 2: 2-2 (could easily be better or worse, of course)
Tier 3: 3-0 (need to protect home court in these ones)
Tier 4: 6-1 (upsets happen!)
Tier 5: 4-0
That would get us to 16-4, and this is obviously assuming that we get upset in one of the Tier 4 games and split the Tier 2 road games ... and we can obviously do better in both of those. For context, these are the records that earned a Big Ten regular season championship since 2019-20:
2026: 19-1 (Michigan)
2025: 17-3 (Michigan State)
2024: 17-3 (Purdue)
2023: 15-5 (Purdue)
2022: 15-5 (Illinois and Wisconsin)
2021: 14-3* (Michigan) and 16-4* (Illinois)
2020: 14-6 (Wisconsin, Michigan State and Maryland)
2026 Michigan was a pretty obvious fluke as far as what we usually expect for a Big Ten champ, and the jumbled mess of 2020 is also unlikely to be repeated with this year's lineup of teams, IMO. So I would say the Big Ten champ will have between 2-5 losses, with 3-4 being the most likely. Do we think a 16-4 record gets us a share of the title? Or do we think MSU, Michigan or some other player would force us to need to get to 17-3?
Lots of work... Thanks, Bro! Must be a latent Cubs fan ....Very long post incoming, lol ... but the gist of it is this:
1) I was thinking today how other than some of the obvious talking points (e.g., Illinois and MSU will be very good), I really don't have a good feel for how the Big Ten pecking order will shake out, at least to start the season. So, I took some time just comparing a few preseason rankings I found to try to come up with a composite for the top of the league.
2) Obviously making it back to the Final Four and of course winning the National Championship are the main goals, but I personally would really like to take advantage of this season to hoist another Big Ten regular season championship banner, myself! So, using the rankings I could find, I tried to group our Big Ten games into tiers.
1) Preseason Rankings
DISCLAIMER - I might be woefully ignorant of which sources I should have included vs. my rather lame method of simply Googling preseason rankings and looking for links people have posted here, AND a lot of these could be outdated given news that came out since these rankings were published regarding certain players.
CBS Preseason Top 25 and 1
#3 Illinois
#7 Michigan State
#16 Michigan
#20 UCLA
#22 USC
#25 Purdue
#26 Indiana
EvanMiya Preseason Top 30
(IL Post With Full Big Ten Rankings)
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#15 Michigan
#21 UCLA
#25 Nebraska
#33 Ohio State
#34 Purdue
#36 USC
#37 Wisconsin
#41 Maryland
#47 Iowa
#51 Indiana
#54 Oregon
#61 Minnesota
#67 Washington
#92 Rutgers
#93 Northwestern
#101 Penn State
Bart Torvik T-Rank
#6 Illinois
#10 Michigan State
#14 Michigan
#16 Nebraska
#17 Ohio State
#22 Purdue
#23 UCLA
#29 Indiana
#30 USC
#32 Oregon
#37 Maryland
#46 Iowa
#49 Wisconsin
#66 Washington
#72 Rutgers
#76 Northwestern
#78 Minnesota
#106 Penn State
Andy Katz's Power 44
#3 Michigan State
#4 Illinois
#16 Michigan
#20 USC
#25 Nebraska
#26 Purdue
#29 UCLA
#35 Wisconsin
#37 Indiana
#43 Iowa
ESPN's Way-Too-Early Top 25
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#11 USC
#20 Michigan
#23 UCLA
CBK Report August Power 40 (Instagram - cbkreport)
#3 Illinois
#8 Michigan State
#16 Michigan
#19 Nebraska
#24 UCLA
#25 USC
#27 Ohio State
#28 Purdue
#30 Indiana
#35 Maryland
#39 Wisconsin
#40 Iowa
Anywho, it seems things BROADLY break down into these tiers:
Tier 1 - Illinois and Michigan State ... consistently top 5 or top 10 and significantly higher than the rest of the league.
Tier 2 - Michigan ... nearly always third behind MSU and us but also less speculative than, say, a USC.
Tier 3 - UCLA, USC and Nebraska ... usually ranked ahead of the rest of the pack, though it depends on the rankings.
Tier 4 - Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, Maryland and Ohio State ... teams forming the middle of the league that at least some analysts have predicted will be better than expected.
Tier 5 - Everyone else.
2) Winning a Big Ten Regular Season Championship
So, while crazy stuff happens every single year and that's why we love college hoops, I'll use these rough tiers (along with other factors like where the games are being played, etc.) to group our schedule into tiers.
Tier 1 - Whether we are favored or not, these are the losses you can absolutely afford but the wins that solidify a #1 seed come Selection Sunday.
- at Michigan
- vs. Michigan State
Tier 2 - The road wins that define an elite resume and win you conference championships. A loss won't hurt you, but stacking these wins is what gets a team a top 3 seed and a good path to the Final Four. Including Maryland due to a history of bad juju, lol...
- at Purdue
- at Wisconsin
- at Indiana
- at Maryland
Tier 3 - Classic "protect your home court" games. These teams are definitely capable of beating us on paper, but none of them is so good that we should allow them to waltz into the House of 'Paign and walk away with a W.
- vs. USC
- vs. UCLA
- vs. Nebraska
Tier 4 - Purdue is a good team, but we should beat them in Champaign. Minnesota is a lot worse than us on paper, but they're scrappy and it's on the road. We might not go undefeated in these games, but in isolation ... we'll all be expecting a win heading into each one, and a loss would be a Sportscenter-worthy upset.
- vs. Iowa
- vs. Purdue
- vs. Wisconsin
- at Minnesota
- at Washington
- at Oregon
- vs. Ohio State
Tier 5 - For one reason or another, we simply must win these games. And I expect we will win all of them.
- at Northwestern
- at Rutgers
- vs. Northwestern
- vs. Penn State
So if you took my categories as meaningful whatsoever, you could put our expected wins / losses something like this.
Tier 1: 1-1 (just roll with it!)
Tier 2: 2-2 (could easily be better or worse, of course)
Tier 3: 3-0 (need to protect home court in these ones)
Tier 4: 6-1 (upsets happen!)
Tier 5: 4-0
That would get us to 16-4, and this is obviously assuming that we get upset in one of the Tier 4 games and split the Tier 2 road games ... and we can obviously do better in both of those. For context, these are the records that earned a Big Ten regular season championship since 2019-20:
2026: 19-1 (Michigan)
2025: 17-3 (Michigan State)
2024: 17-3 (Purdue)
2023: 15-5 (Purdue)
2022: 15-5 (Illinois and Wisconsin)
2021: 14-3* (Michigan) and 16-4* (Illinois)
2020: 14-6 (Wisconsin, Michigan State and Maryland)
2026 Michigan was a pretty obvious fluke as far as what we usually expect for a Big Ten champ, and the jumbled mess of 2020 is also unlikely to be repeated with this year's lineup of teams, IMO. So I would say the Big Ten champ will have between 2-5 losses, with 3-4 being the most likely. Do we think a 16-4 record gets us a share of the title? Or do we think MSU, Michigan or some other player would force us to need to get to 17-3?
Not sure I completely buy MSU ahead of us, but ehh whatever. Locker room material