IlliniForTheWin
- Georgia
why cant we just hire nick irvin as the last assistant? that might help with chicago recruiting
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JFGsCoffeeMug
BU:1 Trash cans:0
- Chicago
Don't know much about him, but Martin was a scout for OKC for a year. That's pretty cool.
Agreed. Him and a few others got me through "Not ideal extension" Thanksgiving fiasco of 2015.
IlliniDent
- Chicago, IL
True, but coming out of a Ban with that much built up frustration to throw around isn't a great formula for sticking around either. Sometimes it's a good idea to hold it in for a bit.
Either way, excited for this staff and can't wait to see who fills it out. Been getting destroyed on the recruiting front the past day or two so it would be nice to get momentum back.
foby
- Bonnaroo Land
Only S&C can #saveS&C
MrOizo
- Chicago
Nice post. S&C truly needs a breather.
Rule #5 is probably what got him. Repeatedly making the same point.
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I sound like a broken record, but to succeed at UI you need to be a very competent recruiter. It is a necessary condition, although not sufficient. Talent has been consistently down the last 12 years (with 2010-11 being the lone exception).
I am pleased with BU's approach to focus on recruiting with his staff. The alternative hypothesis that you can develop average talent into a consistent B1G contender at UI holds no water IMO.
I laugh when I read posts advocating taking a "long run" approach developing average level recruits into competent upperclassmen, etc., etc. First, what "long run?" We have been totally irrelevant for 12 years now. You think people will give BU 4-5 years to start showing results? Second, developing talent does not only apply to lesser recruits and skills. I'd rather start developing someone with better skills already. It is not that BU or staff will stop developing because they recruited better talent.
Having strong recruiters on staff does not guarantee that we will get the talent either. We still compete with many other very competent schools/recruiters. Yet, it is a very solid starting point for a new coach to get his UI career going.
I am pleased with BU's approach to focus on recruiting with his staff. The alternative hypothesis that you can develop average talent into a consistent B1G contender at UI holds no water IMO.
I laugh when I read posts advocating taking a "long run" approach developing average level recruits into competent upperclassmen, etc., etc. First, what "long run?" We have been totally irrelevant for 12 years now. You think people will give BU 4-5 years to start showing results? Second, developing talent does not only apply to lesser recruits and skills. I'd rather start developing someone with better skills already. It is not that BU or staff will stop developing because they recruited better talent.
Having strong recruiters on staff does not guarantee that we will get the talent either. We still compete with many other very competent schools/recruiters. Yet, it is a very solid starting point for a new coach to get his UI career going.
Totally agree with Obelix. IMO the assistant roles should be recruiting strength first. The Xs and Os are really the responsibility of the head coach. You need to get talent in the door. Plus for good assistants it is not like they can recruit but has no idea how to help implement a system. All of these guys will be capable of helping BU implement his system. The Illini hired a well respected Xs and Os coach, it makes sense that he fills his staff with recruiters. Under BU there will be player development, it just works better if those players have a higher ceiling.
Kramer116
- Chicago
Yea the "long run" approach is a joke and an excuse previous incompetent coaches used.
This is basketball. You get one class of studs and you can go from last to first in your league in a hurry if you combine it with great coaching.
Underwood has proven everywhere he has been, even if only a handful of years, that he has the X and O's to win consistently.
Would love to round out the staff with another former HC and big recruiter in Martin. I could even live with Coleman for his Fire connections.
Underwood will have another X and O type of guy or two on his support staff as well, which will go great with potentially two former HC's in Antigua and hopefully Martin as well as Walker.
Anyone else hearing Gentry is on staff?
You are right! The recruiters are your assistant coaches! Why? Because they are the only ones who can go off campus and recruit. Don't waste a spot on this so-called X and O guy as if Antigua or Jamal don't have those abilities as well! You want guys with regional relationships who can sell your program to 15-18 year olds. This is your sales force essentially. You don't need an operations manager in the field.
The X and O guys and player development gurus are your support staff! Sometimes you get all of this and a recruiter to boot! That is a home run assistant! That's also why you see a lot of older coaches (Judson, Nottingham) etc. who may not have the recruiting chops comparatively to a young up and comer but bring more to the table via Big 10 experience, successful X and O rep, player development, etc. Our support budget allows for getting those type of coaches.
Chin is > than Chucky BTW! I don't doubt Chucky would be a good hire but understanding the dynamics of our situation you need to go with the one who gets you in the conversation in Chicago!!!!! Specifically when you see what Cuonzo and SLU is doing in St. Louis. That's why it's great to have Jamal and Orlando to tag team that region. But we will not get the best talent in St. Louis anymore in the short run. Chicago just became way more important and Chin gets us there far better than Chucky can IMO! What if Mizzou or Indiana hired Chin instead of us? Potentially disastrous for us and Miller has already proven he can recruit chicago anyway!!!!! Hire The Chicago guy and call it a day! Or if it's Gates - take him! Chucky doesn't help in chicago IMO!
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IlliniDent
- Chicago, IL
I've been where S&C is, and been banned before, but you eventually have to restore faith in the people leading the program.
We aren't in the same position we were 5 years ago. And because of that I have the utmost faith that we will have great basketball again very quickly.
I think Walker is an asset to the team, combining him with BU and OA and whoever else we bring on is going to be a powerful coaching staff in many different ways.
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We aren't in the same position we were 5 years ago. And because of that I have the utmost faith that we will have great basketball again very quickly.
I think Walker is an asset to the team, combining him with BU and OA and whoever else we bring on is going to be a powerful coaching staff in many different ways.
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I was excited while typing that?!!!
Fair chance Ft. Lauderdale is Frazier.WPB is closer, but FTL has more flights & is close enough
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sacraig
- The desert
I do think from time to time it bordered on uncivil. He had a post or two directed at me that were deleted that read as being uncivil. Just my opinion, though. I certainly am not advocating permanently banning a guy for a little bit of passion.
I figure the best case scenario here is that it's another temporary ban, and when he comes back, the coaching staff has been sorted out a bit and he has taken a step back from the ledge.
I assume this gif is Loyalty-worthy because it was before she became a Kitty fan?