Illini Coaching Staff
MainelyIllini
- uh, Maine
Even if Gates moves for the same base salary, another thing for him to consider would be taxes. Florida has no income tax, whereas Illinois has one of the highest tax burdens in the country. I'm guessing that won't cut it for him.
haasi
- New York
I will also say- the amount for the Assistant pool is not much compared to HC salaries, the budget was there for even higher HC salary, and it wouldn't take much more to put us probably above anyone but Kentucky for assistant salaries if necessary. My guess is that they agreed on 850k because that's what BU thinks he needs to get the staff he wants in place and satisfied, and probably wouldn't have been a big deal for Whitman to add on an extra 100k a year if that's what underwood get he needed. These are trivial sums compared to HC comp, where we were prepared to spend much more.
In other words, if he wants Gates or Evans or Jamall or whoever else, I'm sure BU negotiated a budget that would allow him to get who he wants
In other words, if he wants Gates or Evans or Jamall or whoever else, I'm sure BU negotiated a budget that would allow him to get who he wants
haasi
- New York
Based on presser, does sound like he puts premium on recruiting right guys for his system, not just 5/4 star guys. Which supports idea that it may be less important to get stud recruiters than to get guys who understand his system and will work well with him (of course they have to be able to recruit too)
Not so crazy. It always seemed weird seeing him part of the IU bench during a game, it was like he was out of place there.
TownieMatt
CU Expat
- Chicago
That's where I'm at. Based on his comments today though, I wonder if he'll really go for two recruiting-focused guys.
Mike
C-U Townie
Yeah, bc good head coaches cost so much, it's much less expensive to splurge on the best support staff. My thinking is that if we had an extra 1.5M a year to put into a head coach, if we really want a national title then we have enough money to hire the best collection of assistants in college basketball. Though I don't get a vote, spending say 40% of the head coaches salary (1.2M) seems logical to me if that gets you who you want. Don't want good assistants. I want the best.
Tilmon will fit. He was recruited by Groce for a pick and roll offense. He will be setting a screen and rolling in our half court system every possession and sometimes 2-3 times per possession depending on how any reversals we get (Underwood likes to work for 3 reversals because scoring chances on reversals go from about 30 to 40 to 70 percent). If he is screen/rolling after 2-3 reversals will have plenty of catch and finish opportunities.
If he's not open on rolls, the offense will have high-low angles to hit him on catch and finish roll-post ups or isolated catches. This doesn't even include the post up counters Underwood will run or backscreen lob counters he runs for the high post guy.
In transition offense, Tilmon runs well and finishes above the rim. He is a prototypical rim runner for a numbered break system. Hence the recruiting love from UNC and Kansas, he fits exactly what they, and now we, want to do in transition.
RedRocksIllini
- Morrison, CO
Playing around with smartasset.com, $300k in Tallahassee vs $300k in Champaign estimates only a difference of about $10K in total taxes. That would be more than offset by the substantially lower cost of living in CU (plus he's not making $300k at FSU.)
MainelyIllini
- uh, Maine
Wow. I thought for sure there would be a much bigger difference. Thanks!
And yes, if he can get a bump up to $300K and move back to his home state, that might be worth it.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
The thing about Judson is he's what, 59? I know he had the (abysmal) 6 year run at NIU in the 00's, but 59 seems kinda old to be getting your first shot at a P5 gig.
I think the post was about adding Judson to Underwood's staff, not that he'd get the IU job.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
I interpreted it as Judson for the IU job. Too much multi-tasking right now...
Although if he meant getting the IU job, Judson's age would be the least of his problems.
Speaking from ignorance, but is Tilmon absolutely essential to the program's success? Or is it Tilmon and a shot at Smith? Being Walker and Gates are two recruit-strong assistants, do we have a chance to retain Tilmon with Gates in the fold (assuming he's hired and IF Walker decides to go)?
Also, I don't see Coach x being the lowest paid in the group, especially if it's Boynton. He's a loyal assistant; BU has to take care of him.
haasi
- New York
Ya was suggesting for a spot on our staff. (Zero chance he's IU's HC. They'd Lynch glass)
I think he probably doesn't work for us for a number of reasons (no connection that I know of to BU, doesn't run spread offense) but he was a good recruiter for us back in the day, still in conference, and obviously has significant connections to program
Yeah, he might have been a good add if Groce had stayed around, more of an X/O guy.
On that same thought-pattern, is Kiwane Garris even a remote possibility coming on as an assistant? See where he's made himself available to be contacted.
illinifan87
- The Windy City
Makes a lot of sense. Season isn't over yet and Underwood doesn't want to interfere in any way shape or form.
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Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
I would say very very remote. He was an assistant at Prairie State and is now at a high school in Lawrenceville, GA. I don't see that as a resume that gets an assistant's job at a P5 school. Maybe some kind of support role like Dee had, but certainly not a bench coach right off the bat.
Would agree, any previous Illini alums would have to have very lofty credentials to make BU's short list for staff, one would think.
RedRocksIllini
- Morrison, CO
Consider that a very crude estimate, but, yeah, I would have thought there would be a greater difference too. Especially if property taxes are properly calculated. Guess the property taxes in CU aren't as outrageous as they are in the Chicago suburban region.
Anyway, for a back-of-the-envelope calculation, I think we could afford to give him a nice bump. Of course, none of this money is mine, so it's much easier to spend.
haasi
- New York
The monetary bump for Underwood was enormous; the monetary bump for any of these guys coming to us would be significantly less. I think the money would be a nice inducement, but as with Underwood, the main thing is going to be fit and opportunity. If Dennis Gates wants to come back to Illinois and work on UW's staff, he'd do so for the same money or a little more. If that's not exciting to him, and he doesn't think it situates him better for the future, an extra 50k a year ain't gonna do it.
RedRocksIllini
- Morrison, CO
Have to agree with all of this. Honestly with Gates, would think what makes sense for him is a head coaching gig. Not sure what he stands to gain from more time as an assistant. Cal (alma mater) is reportedly interested.