Illini Football 2023

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Arkansas is a pretty darn tough coaching job. Alabama and LSU are top 5 level programs. With the right coach, A&M is a top 10 level program. Ole Miss and Auburn are top 20 level programs. That leaves Arkansas and Miss State at the bottom fighting over bread crumbs. I don't know much about Miss State's fan base, but I do know the Arkansas fan base is delusional
(Only) National champions was in1964. Ruined them. As any Illini fan worth his/her salt would know, we've had 5 (1914, 1919, 1923, 1927, 1951).
 
#577      
Speeds up transactions, improving service for everyone.
Which is the biggest reason for it, but it alleviates the issues of securing the cash flow at all those point of sales locations throughout the stadium. Most large venue events have shifted to this method of payment.
 
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Im Not sure about that! A lot of people have a hard time with those machines🤣
I recall being very impressed with the improvement last year. Things moved along nicely, even at halftime, apparently because there were so many order screens. Staff‘s only job was to get food to the counter. I used to dread those lines and avoided halftime concessions. Trouble with that is you miss some of the game.
 
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He's 13-12 as a coach here. Dont build the statute yet.
Correct. Bielema will need to win 8 games consistently, let's say 20 seasons, to even be considered for a statue. That would put Bielema at age 73, so maybe he wouldn't get to enjoy his bronziness as an active coach. But a lot needs to go right to win 8 games at Illinois. Like so damn much.

The 13-12 record for BB after two seasons with Illinois football is worth discussing historically, or at least generationally. The last coach to begin their coaching stint at Illinois to have an above .500 winning percentage after two seasons was John Mackovic in 1989-1990 (which was before my time on Earth), 16-7-1. Mackovic was also the last coach to leave with an above .500 record at Illinois, 30-16-1 (.649).

This one surprised me a bit, but the last coach to have two 8 win seasons at Illinois was Ron Turner. The Sugar Bowl team in 2001 (10-2) and in 1999 (8-4).

Though the flirtations and musing of statues in July are fun, these dreams do have a statute of limitations. During August our Illini will grind and slog through camp, but September is coming. Will we rise to our fanbases loftiest of ceilings or crash like so many other Illini teams before them?
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I do know the Arkansas fan base is delusional
It's a great fanbase. Their reasons for being mad at Bielema are pretty fair all things considered and are not limited to just his football teams.

The only things that matter from our perspective on the Bielema-Arkansas tenure at this point are (1) the underlying quality of the football his teams played was better than the record looked and (2) we are getting the 50-something father version of Bielema who has learned a lot from all the stuff that happened since he left the Big Ten.

All parties are better off than they were in 2017.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
from an overall culture and style of football standpoint, some coaches are best suited to certain parts of the country and its weather and traditions
 
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WWWWRocU

Herndon, VA
Which is the biggest reason for it, but it alleviates the issues of securing the cash flow at all those point of sales locations throughout the stadium. Most large venue events have shifted to this method of payment.
The Las Vegas Raiders stadium is totally cashless, for example.
 
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LJ22

Chicago, IL
Average number of B1G wins per year in the 13 years proceeding BB:

2

Average number of B1G wins in BB’s first 2 years:

4.5

Number of times we went better than .500 in the B1G the 13 years before BB:

0/13

Number of times we’ve been better than .500 in the B1G since hiring BB:

1/2

+ The program has a positive news media for the first time since 2007?

+ We’re recruiting better than we have for the past decade.

We just had a player selected #6 in the NFL draft. We return 10 all conference players from a year ago (4th most in the big ten). We have one of the top defensive coordinators in the nation on staff as an analyst.

No statue yet, but if he keeps this up, there just might be one in the future.
Dude, don't sell us short! Witherspoon went #5!
 
#586      
It's a great fanbase. Their reasons for being mad at Bielema are pretty fair all things considered and are not limited to just his football teams.

The only things that matter from our perspective on the Bielema-Arkansas tenure at this point are (1) the underlying quality of the football his teams played was better than the record looked and (2) we are getting the 50-something father version of Bielema who has learned a lot from all the stuff that happened since he left the Big Ten.

All parties are better off than they were in 2017.
I didn't say they aren't a great fanbase....I said they are delusional. Other than Vandy, there are no bad fanbases in the SEC.

BB inherited a dumpster fire and in years 2-4 was very competitive in the toughest conference/division in football. Realistically, that's about as good as you can expect in their situation. Yeah the wheels fell off in year 5 and he acted a bit....immaturely, but it's not like they landed on probation or he was accused of abuse
 
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Also, Bielema seemed to let it slip last November that he was pushing for the students to be moved out of the NEZ … if that were to happen, you’d think it would be for this season, so I’m guessing he lost that battle?
 
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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
89 and 90 we won 10 and 8 respectively, but your point still stands.
Since joining the Big Ten in 1953 we've only had back-to-back winning records a few times.
1959-1960 (barely)
1963-1965 (3 year stretch)
1981-1985 (5 year stretch)
1989-1990
2010-2011 (barely)

If you use your 8 game win total or equivalent wining percentage for when they used to play fewer games, we're left with:
1963-1964
1983-1984
1989-1990

That is a SAD history. We've been bad since I can remember, (2001/2007 were the exceptions) but I always thought we had a pretty decent history. Looking at these records on sports-reference, that is not the case. We had a run with Butkus and a decent 10 year stretch in the 80s-90s; otherwise we've been bad.

Gives me an even great appreciation for this staff.
Yes. Grim history for the most part. Regarding hot starts, I posted this last fall in advance of the MSU game. Alas, they lost:


Here are the best Illini football starts since 1917 (before then they played at most seven games per season):

1923: 8-0
1927: 7-0-1
1928: 7-1
1934: 7-1
1950: 7-1
1951: 9-0-1
1983: 10-1 (lost to Miznoz in Sept opener)
1989: 7-1 (lost to Colorado in Sept and then Michigan in game #9)
2001: 10-1 (lost to Michigan in Sept)
2022: 7-1

This fall's team is now tied with 1928, '34, '50, and '89 for the fourth best start in the past 106 seasons of eight or more games on the schedule.

Win v. MSU and Purdue and they're tied with '83 and '01 for the second best start in our history through 10 games. Only '51 was better.

Just mind-blowing what these guys and their coaches have done so far IMO, especially considering the starting point two years ago.
 
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Just say no! There’s no service. It’s more like a big vending machine.
The company I recently retired from went to basically self serve convenience stores in their breakrooms where you scan what you selected and pay with a card. No more losing money or product getting hung up in vending machines. Pretty sure this is what you’ll see in many locations in the stadium.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
The company I recently retired from went to basically self serve convenience stores in their breakrooms where you scan what you selected and pay with a card. No more losing money or product getting hung up in vending machines. Pretty sure this is what you’ll see in many locations in the stadium.
so basically like half the checkouts at a grocery store today , with one employee there to assist when needed and 6 self serve scan & pay stations ?
 
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I walked past the stadium two weeks ago and managed to quickly poke my head inside to see the construction; the updated concession area should look pretty good when finished (didn’t see the bathrooms though).

All stadiums are going cashless and paper-ticketless these days. I’m not a fan of the trend, and it’s 100% certain there will be glitches at times, but what’s my alternative? Stay home?
 
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I assume you’re someone who can understand context, so come on … 2 wins in Lovie’s last year turns to 5-7 and then 8-4 in two seasons under Bielema? That’s a fantastic trajectory, which is all that can reasonably be judged in a coach’s first year.
I hope we go undefeated. I bleed O+B. Just saying lets see how he does without the players he lost & the Coaches that moved on before we anoint him as the GOAT of Illinois football coaches.
 
#595      
Much better internal control in a cashless system. My church group runs one of the concessions and we might utilize 40 different volunteers over a season. I know most of those people but I wouldn't guarantee that all of that cash (and we're talking thousands of dollars per concession per week) would actually end up in the cash register.
 
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band camp

STL City
By the way, MI member from 1978!! If in fact so are you.
No sir, it's a quiet (passive/aggressive)
protest play on words.
My niece is down to two choices for her college marching band. Us and them (miznoz). :(
 
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band camp

STL City
(Only) National champions was in1964. Ruined them. As any Illini fan worth his/her salt would know, we've had 5 (1914, 1919, 1923, 1927, 1951).
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band camp

STL City
from a totally net personal income basis ( tips & income tax reporting standpoint) I wonder if vendors prefer the all cash days or the way it is now .

I would think cash is king
Less employee theft. More inventory control.

Edit: rucks got me. My b.
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Arkansas fans talking about how much they dislike Bret Bielema? They already just completely blocked out the Chad Morris years.... huh?

Sport fandom is rarely a long-term investment for specific athletes or coaches. If you have doubts, just check out the Illini Bball threads to see how quickly people turn on those who leave the program.
 
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