Illinois #13 in 1/6 AP Poll

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EyeoftheIllini
ejam21 said:
Doesnt really matter but why are we behind teams like houston? 7 of their 10 wins are q3/q4 and theyve lost all their quad 1 games. Granted two of those are bama/auburn, but they also lost on a neutral floor to San diego st (35 net) in a quad 1 opportunity
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Houston is still above Illini in NET (4 bs 7) and KenPom (3 bs 11).
 
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DeonThomas
EyeoftheIllini said:
Houston is still above Illini in NET (4 bs 7) and KenPom (3 bs 11).
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AP voting is done by sports journalists and we've already established the fact that they DO NOT individually do their research/homework each week before submitting their ballots.
 
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Joel Goodson
#57      
GrayGhost77
HereSoIDontGetFined said:
I think that rank is about right. Even as we had a "bad" game shooting it, we still put up 81. Offensively, we're just on another level.

On the other end, I had a good laugh at the fact that we gave up the exact same number of points to Oregon as we did Washington. In fact, we've given up 77 points exactly to four teams this year and we've won all four of those games.
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Not complaining. 77 is a good number.
 
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Bucktown
Piotyr said:
Efficiency metrics are good for evaluating the overall quality of a team, and there are resume metrics that are a good measure of quality wins like WAB (Wins above bubble) and SOR (strength of record). Someone with a high EM and middling SOR would be an example of a team that's performed well in the games they've played but their schedule hasn't shown that off fully. Houston is #2 in KP/BT and #51 in SOR.

Going the other way, a team with high SOR but low EM is a team that has a lot of good wins but doesn't ever look overly impressive. The prime example for that right now is Oklahoma, #3 in SOR and #54 in BT.

Press me to pick which is more impressive and who I'd take in a neutral floor matchup, though, and I pick Houston 10 times out of 10.
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You are great at following the various metrics. Jumping ahead a bit, but I was wondering if you have looked at which of the various metrics (Net, KenPom, AP Poll, Torvic, etc.) most closely mirrored the seeding by the NCAA committee.
 
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Joel Goodson
Joel Goodson said:
The Athletic's CJ Moore in today's poll article: "It’s wild that the Illini are this good after losing all five starters off an Elite Eight team. As I wrote in today’s rundown of my Top 25, Brad Underwood would have my vote for National Coach of the Year if the season ended today."

he's got us at 8, BTW: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6040297/2025/01/06/mens-college-basketball-top-25-tennessee/
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it would be flippin' hilarious is Brad got NCoY, but got denied BTCoY again
 
#64      
FromTheLogo
Piotyr said:
Efficiency metrics are good for evaluating the overall quality of a team, and there are resume metrics that are a good measure of quality wins like WAB (Wins above bubble) and SOR (strength of record). Someone with a high EM and middling SOR would be an example of a team that's performed well in the games they've played but their schedule hasn't shown that off fully. Houston is #2 in KP/BT and #51 in SOR.

Going the other way, a team with high SOR but low EM is a team that has a lot of good wins but doesn't ever look overly impressive. The prime example for that right now is Oklahoma, #3 in SOR and #54 in BT.

Press me to pick which is more impressive and who I'd take in a neutral floor matchup, though, and I pick Houston 10 times out of 10.
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I don't think we give enough love to @Piotyr for his analysis of analytics. 😃 Thanks for helping me understand the acronyms and numbers.
 
#65      
illinitiger
One comment...one question...

6 out of top 10 from SEC...seems wacked!

if we are top B10 team in latest AP....does that point to us as league favorite now???
 
#66      
Chad Fleck
Parrish is quite enjoyable if he stays away from his serious side.
 
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GrayGhost77
Joel Goodson said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1876466981500522836
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If that happens and we make it to the the NC game again only to lose to freaking Auburn I'd have to commit ritual seppuku.

GIF by FirstAndMonday
 
#71      
Brosky
CBS has us now at #8. Pomeroy at #11.
 
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Piotyr
Bucktown said:
You are great at following the various metrics. Jumping ahead a bit, but I was wondering if you have looked at which of the various metrics (Net, KenPom, AP Poll, Torvic, etc.) most closely mirrored the seeding by the NCAA committee.
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This is a difficult check to do in hindsight, as all the efficiency metrics continue to update during the tournament so naturally they tend to look really good by the end of the season compared to tourney performance (for example, the national champion has finished in the top 3 of KenPom ratings in 20 of the last 23 tournaments (UConn 14, UConn 11, Syracuse 03), which is obviously helped by those teams getting 3-4 good quality Q1 wins in the tournament.

I will say that since the committee switched from RPI (which was and continues to be a terrible metric) to NET, the seeding has more closely resembled the efficiency metrics and has been better overall.

The AP poll has never been even a minor influence on seeding, evident most back in 2017 when 19th ranked Syracuse did not make the NCAA tournament (they were 55th in KenPom, and finished 19-15 without playing even a single non conference game outside NY, their ranking was pure fantasy).
 
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idoc13
DeonThomas said:
AP voting is done by sports journalists and we've already established the fact that they DO NOT individually do their research/homework each week before submitting their ballots.
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That’s just unbelievable to me that a well respected journalist who has the privilege of voting in the AP poll would give such little effort.

Makes me upset. If you don’t care, give your ballot to someone who does.
 
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