Illinois 68, Alabama A&M 47 Postgame

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Does that make it right? It’s demeaning. Save it for the locker room
I always liked taking them out of the game for awhile and get their attention
We need to block out and shoot foul shots for sure -take a couple charges.
I am sure they know what they need to do.
Go Illini
 
#180      
It's a very well known leadership tactic...by being an !!!!!!! you become a common enemy for your employees (players) to bond over and team up against.

To each their own but this isn't just a basketball tactic. Brad calls himself a CEO for a reason.

Chill out we are fine. It's all tactical. He doesn't do it all the time, they have 1-1 meetings where they know they are loved.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Here’s my uniformed take based on what both Mayer and BU said in the post game.

Sounds like Mayer isn’t used to “hard”practices leading up to a game based on his 4 years at Baylor. Not what he is used to and likely voiced that to BU. Sounded like he prefers to have it a bit easier leading up to the game to rest his body/issues a bit.

Difference in how those two were looking at that and obviously, what the coach says is gonna have to be the way.

End of the day , don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Adjustment period for the transfer.
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The above image was in a dream I had last night about the look BU was going to have at the next practice session with the lads........

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Hi , good morning.....how are you lads this morning ??

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So , some of you don't like 2 a days for practice , huh ??

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I never knew BU's practice's would have so much hiking in it ...............................

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How aboot 3 a days practicing ????

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anyone else hate 2 a days ???????

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next stop ........................Braggin Rights game........................

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Yeah , Michael Matthews is fasting before the games .................wow........................

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#182      
I think Whitman should put Underwood on a stool in the corner for a time Out and put the players in their safe space. There have been many kids this age give their lives for this country. These players should be able to take some tough love from their coach .
 
#183      
Having led young men in battle and on the field of athletic competition, there is not a huge difference. You need to find a way to communicate, motivate, and support them to gain their respect and the respect of your teammates. It is not easy but necessary to be successful in both.
This is Truth.

I watched the A&M beginning of 2d half 14-0 run. We didn't make shots and they did. I saw some good things from us (3 off rebounds in a row...But...., the 3 misses with good open looks was not great). I didn't see anything worth screaming about, including Sincere's guy getting a good 3p look.

What I felt was missing was a timeout and a strategic reset. We gave up a 14p run at similar time of game with PSU...only with them it was 2.5 min...it took A&M almost 3 times longer...but they did it too. Runs happen and screaming generally is not the best fix for runs. It seems like a brief new look on D or Offense might be more effective to slow these runs.

Aside from that, I believe Screaming may be a useful tool in some situations, but I would suggest to BU to use it with discretion.
 
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It's a very well known leadership tactic...by being an !!!!!!! you become a common enemy for your employees (players) to bond over and team up against.

To each their own but this isn't just a basketball tactic. Brad calls himself a CEO for a reason.

Chill out we are fine. It's all tactical. He doesn't do it all the time, they have 1-1 meetings where they know they are loved.
Sharpshot. Thanks for CEO "well known tactic"...you were successful in making at least one of us laugh.

Here's checklist for tactic (like to see an SNL skit adaptation)

1. CEO initiates hate from employees (screaming alot?)
2. Team gains common enemy (boss)
3. Brotherhood bond from everyone hating boss produces unparalleled performance/wins
 
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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
I'm pretty sure Brad knows what he's doing.
I dunno. I mean, he can't even diagram inbounds plays. ;)

IMO people should chill about BU's visibly-expressed temper. He's an extremely effective coach, he has been coaching for years, and one doesn't achieve his level of success without understanding what buttons need to be pushed to motivate 19-22 year-old. MM may despise him now. Am guessing he won't a year from now. As I recall, you get positive results by pushing your players farther than they are generally willing to push themselves or each other.

I didn't like getting yelled at by a coach, either, and I played briefly for a Bob Knight wannabe 40 years ago. But he got the best out of his players and he didn't get there by coddling us. Oh, and he also subsequently moved high schools and nearly won a state championship with much better athletes than we were. Then retired out west and ended up coaching college ball out there, becoming, apparently, a much-loved, avuncular figure in contrast to his bombastic persona 20 years earlier.

Anyway, I was back home in October talking with a childhood buddy of mine and former teammate, a Division I pitcher who threw a no-hitter at Ohio State, who called him the best coach he'd ever had.

BU is at the, shall we say, more demonstrative end of the coaching spectrum. I have no problem with that. (Will Iowa fans soon begin posting "Bradcon" memes?! Meh; who cares?) He's not Chris Holtmann, for sure. But then again, Chris Holtmann once pursued an official into the tunnel screaming at him after a game. And I believe that Holtmann has been ejected from more BT games than BU (only 1, IIRC) has. So there's that.
 
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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
I have two thoughts I want to share which hopefully will come across as neutral amongst all the strong opinions in this thread.

First is that it's extremely hard for anyone outside of the program to actually assess the team relationships and dynamics. The team is so close by the time and effort they spend together, and we only see a sliver of it. I give 0 credence to body language analysis or attempts to speculate on the team's reactions, supposed inferences, hidden subtext, etc...

Second, every single good basketball team is going to need to navigate uncertainty and challenges. The real teams can do it. Teams that can't will fall to the wayside. There's no template and it's not pretty. My point is, strife is necessary and we should acknowledge and accept that some ugliness will come with it.
This^

Conflict clarifies.
 
#191      
After checking out the A&M post game thread I'm very surprised that so many people seem to be questioning BU's demeanor. He's done this his entire career here and I'm sure we'll before he came to the beloved. Did anyone have a problem when he chewed out Mark Alstork after we beat Indiana? Did anyone have issues when during the no fan covid year he very audibly yelled at the entire team ( or aggressively counseled as the announcers called it) when they were down 15 at northwestern? The guy has proven he can win in this league. Give it a rest.
 
#194      
Sharpshot. Thanks for CEO "well known tactic"...you were successful in making at least one of us laugh.

Here's checklist for tactic (like to see an SNL skit adaptation)

1. CEO initiates hate from employees (screaming alot?)
2. Team gains common enemy (boss)
3. Brotherhood bond from everyone hating boss produces unparalleled performance/wins

Brotherhood has MM for a leader! Not soft to challenge the coach. That’s toughness!
 
#195      
The whole concept of “softness” is disturbing. Who gives a !!!! if some is your definition of soft?

The player, much like the employee, has a choice. You can play for the hard !!! like Underwood or play in a place that best fits your style of learning, growing. Underwood is a hard !!! so expect hell with a side of love.

That is literally how the guy performs so either the players use it and grow or they leave. Either the administration is comfortable with it or they make changes.
 
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drsmitty74

Rochester
Here’s my uniformed take based on what both Mayer and BU said in the post game.

Sounds like Mayer isn’t used to “hard”practices leading up to a game based on his 4 years at Baylor. Not what he is used to and likely voiced that to BU. Sounded like he prefers to have it a bit easier leading up to the game to rest his body/issues a bit.

Difference in how those two were looking at that and obviously, what the coach says is gonna have to be the way.

End of the day , don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Adjustment period for the transfer.
If MM wants it easy, he came to the wrong place. MM was not a leader at Baylor. He was a role player. He has to decide for himself if he wants to be a leader. If he indeed wants to be a "go to guy" and looked upon as a leader on this squad, he needs to understand that his Baylor program was not prepping him for the that type of role. BU has a vision for him and this team. We need MM to bring the senior leadership and experience of being a national champion. MM can still be that player, but he needs to understand that it's a different mindset when you are a leader of men.
 
#198      
IMHO the issue swirling around here is the question of effectiveness. Will BU's approach ultimately be effective enough to win a national title. Matthew Mayer commented early on that he was still getting used to Underwood's style of yelling and screaming at players during practice & and mentioned the very different approach to motivation that Scott Drew at Baylor uses.
 
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ginabackes00

CrazedUIFan
Forming > Storming (Our Team) > Norming > Performing
To add to this, we have a team that has lost all of its leadership. Bringing in veteran transfers doesn't automatically cure the lack of leadership. Creating culture takes some continuity. If you think back to the beginning of practices, there were many on here concerned about leadership and stating it would take time for this team to mature (a lot of minutes for freshmen) and have a leader emerge
It's a process that doesn't happen overnight. There are setbacks. My issue is, as a leader, you don't air your frustrations about your coach in the media. You're setting an example for your team. On the court you involve your team, off the court you have to work on building a culture of inclusion with your coaches. Losing and playing poorly is part of the process. How you move through it is what makes you succeed or fail. Its great to see Goode and Coleman stepping up publicly to defend the entire team.
 
#200      
MM speaking up is a good thing, imo. I want him to be vocal, and the fact that it’s happening when he’s starting to show out on the court (like we hoped he would) adds legitimacy to his voice.

Also, regarding Hawkins tuning out BU, that’s pretty standard when being yelled at. I’ve been in the military 14 years and also am not phased by someone screaming in my face…to the point that I don’t react. As long as they still get the message, it’s fine.

Leadership is a spectrum with many levers to pull to try and get an effect. Scream-o is one of em. And while I do think BU dips into it possibly a little too often, he also knows his troops better than us. To the other military members on here saying you don’t need to scream down someone’s throat to get a desired behavior simply haven’t had to do it yet. (And maybe never will depending on their job)

But believe me, there is a time and a place to get someone’s attention using that tactic. (Usually when life and limb are on the line) Since B-ball is rarely that consequential, maybe a trend of lacking effort, focus, and motivation is that time and place for BU?

Because, if he DIDN’T try to get their attention, and let them play like they have recently, we may be a bubble team at best. Which nobody wants.